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Porco Interrogation Transcript

TRANSCRIPT OF VIDEOTAPED INTERVIEW OF:

CHRISTOPHER S. PORCO

Monday, November 15, 2005


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Now, you're going to college, right?

MR. PORCO:  Yes.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  What's the name of the college?

MR. PORCO:  Rochester, University of Rochester.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Are you?  What year are you in?

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Can I just see you for a minute? 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  You have to go to the bathroom or anything?

MR. PORCO:  No, I'm fine.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  All right.  All right.  I've got all this information coming in.  All different directions, and I'm trying to figure out what the heck is going on here because, you know, for the Town of Bethlehem, it's a big deal.  Doesn't, you know -- we just had an incident a little while ago down here.  I don't know if you remember that one.

MR. PORCO:  No.  What was that?

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Where a guy -- it was a three-way love affair going on.  A guy ended up assaulting the new boyfriend.  He actually killed him.

MR. PORCO:  Was that in Bethlehem?

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Yeah, right on Elsmere Avenue, yeah.  Oh, yeah.  Yes, it was.  Like I said, I've got to talk to your brother.  I'll probably -- you don't have any sisters, right?

MR. PORCO:  No.  There's only two of us.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  All right.  Well, all right.  I'll probably end up talking to a lot of different people.  Hopefully, I can talk to your mother too, I guess, you know.

MR. PORCO:  I haven't seen her yet, so.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Right, right.  But whenever we talk to anybody, we always have to -- we're supposed to read everybody their rights.  All right?  Nobody is under arrest.  Nobody -- that's not the deal here.  I'm trying to gather information, but if I don't do it, all right --

MR. PORCO:  I understand.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  -- then I get -- it's a procedure that we have to do, and basically, it's a sheet, all right, look at it like this.  And you know, it says, you've got the right to remain silent, refuse to answer any questions.  Anything you say can be used against you in a court of law.  I'm trying to gather information here, all right?  That's all I'm trying to do.

MR. PORCO:  I understand.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  All right?  Here.  Just take a look at it.

MR. PORCO:  Okay. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  And then you put your present address right there.  I'm sure you understand where.

MR. PORCO:  (Signing paperwork.)

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Do you know if your brother has been around lately at all?

MR. PORCO:  Not to my knowledge.  I haven't talked to him in probably about a month. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.

MR. PORCO:  Not to my knowledge, no.  In fact, no.  He's on active duty.  You can't just leave.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Exactly.  When was the last time he was in town, do you think, or, you know, at the house?


MR. PORCO:  August, maybe.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  When was the last time you were at the house?

MR. PORCO:  I was at the house briefly on Saturday.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Oh, just this past?

MR. PORCO:  M-m h-m-m. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Were you?

MR. PORCO:  I came back.  My girlfriend goes to Fairfield college, and I came back to see her, you know, at her house on (inaudible two words).

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  What's her name?

MR. PORCO:  Sarah Fischer.  F-i-s-c-h.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  And what would be her address?

MR. PORCO:  In Slingerlands. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Is there --

MR. PORCO:  After the Tollgate, it's the third right.  I couldn't tell you the street.  I'm sorry.  I don't know.  You take a left at --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  You were there?

MR. PORCO:  I was there Friday night.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Friday night?


MR. PORCO:  I got there Friday afternoon, actually, and stayed over there Friday night

and --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay. 

MR. PORCO:  -- left her house about 3:15 or so on Saturday.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  And you went where?

MR. PORCO:  Stopped by my house.  My parents weren't home.  My Mom was at a conference.  I wondered if she was back, but I guess she didn't get back until about five apparently.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Briefly stopped at your parents' house you said? 

MR. PORCO:  Yes.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.

MR. PORCO:  Basically, just (inaudible one  word) fed my dog and left.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  All right, and then when did you go back to college?

MR. PORCO:  Right then.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  All right.  And to your knowledge, your brother hasn't been around?

MR. PORCO:  No.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  When -- last time you were there -- when was the last time you talked to your Dad?

MR. PORCO:  By phone?

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  At any point.

MR. PORCO:  We exchanged emails this past week.  Actually emailed him this afternoon.  We haven't spoke on the phone in a week and a half, probably, to either of my parents.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay. 

MR. PORCO:  We've been exchanging emails for the past week.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  That's okay.  Anything

-- any part of the conversation that you remember?  I mean, did he -- was he concerned about anything?  Was he --

MR. PORCO:  No.  We -- we had been discussing financial aid stuff for next semester.  You know, that's what they were about, and his most recent email to me was, I think,  Friday afternoon he (inaudible two words).  We had talked about coming home this weekend. statement.)  And I didn't respond until today. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  M-m h-m-m.  So you talked on the phone about a week and a half ago?


MR. PORCO:  Probably.  I'm not exactly sure.  About that time.  Last time I actually saw them was about three weeks ago.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  All right.  Do you know if anybody else has been over to the house lately?

MR. PORCO:  What you mean, any -- my aunt and uncle and family were there last Tuesday night.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Last Tuesday night?

MR. PORCO:  And they had people over. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Yeah.  Okay.  Any -- any problems lately or --

MR. PORCO:  I haven't talked to them a lot in the past couple of weeks.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  And the reason why I say that is, you know, sometimes through issues that are discussed, you know, like with your brother talking to them or you talking to them, maybe something came out in any of these conversations.

MR. PORCO:  Right.  I understand.  My Dad has been busy with election stuff.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay. 


MR. PORCO:  The Judge he works for is up for election.  He's been working on that.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Judge?

MR. PORCO:  Cardona.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Cardona, right.  I know him.  Right.

MR. PORCO:  And he's working 19-hour days.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Is he really?

MR. PORCO:  For the past month or so, yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Yeah.  Well, he does work downstairs in the basement, doesn't he, your Dad?

MR. PORCO:  Third floor of the County Court Building.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  That was in reference to the desk he has set up in the basement.

MR. PORCO:  Yes.  I mean, he'll do stuff (inaudible three words) he does.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay. 

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement) and stuff.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Is there -- there's a safe in the basement, right?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Did he use it?


MR. PORCO:  That's actually mine (indecipherable two words) there.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Oh, really?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  The one with the key in it?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Is that how you left it?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  It is?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.  There's a key code thing.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Yes.

MR. PORCO:  The key doesn't (inaudible three words.)

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Is there anything in it?

MR. PORCO:  Like checks (inaudible three words) checks.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.

MR. PORCO:  I don't even know what else.  Haven't opened it in a while.  Nothing valuable or anything.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  Chuck, we were talking.  He said he was -- he stopped by the house Saturday.  He was in town.  He stayed overnight at his girlfriend's house Friday night.  I mean, I was hoping maybe he saw something when he went in and out, or whatever or, you know, somebody had called him or --

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Okay.  I asked you on the phone already, you said you were -- been weeks since you --

MR. PORCO:  You had thought -- I thought you meant when I saw my parents.  I didn't actually see them when I was there.  I was there Friday night.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay. 

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Over the weekend?

MR. PORCO:  Yes.  My Mom was at a teacher conference thing in Boston.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  What day was that?

MR. PORCO:  She was there Thursday, Friday, Saturday, I think.  Was it Friday night?  I don't know, but she got back, I guess, around five o'clock on Saturday.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Saturday?

MR. PORCO:  And I had stopped by a couple hours before that, 3:30 probably.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  3:30 Saturday?


MR. PORCO:  It was a little before that.  3:15, 3:30.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  So around three?

MR. PORCO:  I left Sarah's house around 3:15, so.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  What's Sarah's last name?

MR. PORCO:  Fischer.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  He wasn't sure of the address and phone number.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  So who -- who was home?  Was anybody else home?

MR. PORCO:  Just my dog.  No.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  No?

MR. PORCO:  I'm not sure my Dad was.  I would have talked to him.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  M-m h-m-m. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  Let me ask you a question.  There's -- as you first walk in the front door, there's a hallway closet?

MR. PORCO:  M-m h-m-m. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  There's a file cabinet right there.

MR. PORCO:  M-m h-m-m. 


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  What was kept in there?

MR. PORCO:  At my house?  (Inaudible statement.)  Where again?

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  At your house.

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  At your parents' house.

MR. PORCO:  M-m h-m-m. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay?  As you walk in the front door --

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  -- there's a file cabinet in the closet right there in front of the front door as you walk inside.

MR. PORCO:  Is it metal?

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Yes.  Do you know what's kept in that?

MR. PORCO:  No idea.  All the financial stuff is in the basement, to my knowledge.  They used to have a plastic one, there were hats and gloves and crap in it.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay. 

MR. PORCO:  I don't know.  I don't even know where you're talking about really.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well, it's a file cabinet, a two-drawer thing.

MR. PORCO:  It's in the closet?

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Yeah.

MR. PORCO:  They must have moved it previously then because I don't recall it. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  You don't recall it being there?

MR. PORCO:  Not at all, no.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Do you recall a file -- a two-drawer file cabinet, white in color, being somewhere else?

MR. PORCO:  Oh, yeah.  We have one in the basement, in the concrete part  of our basement.  There's like four or five file  cabinets in there.  There's a two-drawer one. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.

MR. PORCO:  My Mom used to have that at work.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Is that where his desk is, you mean?


MR. PORCO:  No.  It's -- when you go downstairs -- I don't know if you went to the basement downstairs, there's a -- you turn right and there's a little sliding door, and there's like a -- I guess it's a junk room, you know, stuff piled in there.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Yeah, yeah.

MR. PORCO:  There's a bunch of file cabinets in that room.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay. 

MR. PORCO:  Old tax returns, checks and stuff.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.

MR. PORCO:  I don't know why they would have one upstairs.  I would assume it would be for paperwork or something, I don't know.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  Who -- which one of your parents would have the usage of oxygen?

MR. PORCO:  What do you mean?

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Like a nebulizer or something that they use at night?

MR. PORCO:  My father has a -- sleep apnea.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  Like a --

MR. PORCO:  I'm not sure what it's called.  It forces air into his --

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Right.  It keeps his nose open.  I understand.


MR. PORCO:  He used to snore really bad.  So he's had that for a couple of years --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay. 

MR. PORCO:  -- years now.  There's no oxygen involved, I don't think.  It's just pressurized air.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  I wasn't aware. 

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  There's a machine in back of the bed.

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.  There's no tanks or anything.  It's just --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay. 

MR. PORCO:  -- just pressurized air.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  As you walk in the bedroom, which side of the bed would each parent be on?  There's a bathroom side and then there's one --

MR. PORCO:  Yeah, yeah.  Their bed used to be straight.  They recently moved it so it's kind of not in the corner.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  I'll give you piece of paper.

MR. PORCO:  Okay. 

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  You can draw it.


MR. PORCO:  My Dad always sleeps -- if you're standing at the foot of the bed, my Dad is on the right.  My Mom is on the left.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  As you're facing the bed?

MR. PORCO:  Facing the foot of the bed, my Mom is on the left and my Dad is on the right.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  In other words --

MR. PORCO:  You've got a bathroom over here, and their bed is now -- their bed used to be like that.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Right.

MR. PORCO:  But it's now kind of like, I guess, like that.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Yeah.

MR. PORCO:  And there's like a dresser here.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Yeah.

MR. PORCO:  And one here.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Yeah.

MR. PORCO:  I think there's a chair here too.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  There's a nebulizer back here on this little stand.


MR. PORCO:  Yeah.  They bought a -- some kind of table behind it.  It was like an iron frame.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Yes.

MR. PORCO:  New bed.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Excuse me, yeah, new bed.

MR. PORCO:  It's a brand new bed.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Brand new.  The bathroom door is where?

MR. PORCO:  The bathroom is right here, and my Mom would be on this side.  My Dad would be on this side.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  That side?  Okay. 

MR. PORCO:  You know, like a chair here, I think, and there's a closet right here.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Got you.  Okay. 

MR. PORCO:  It's pretty apparent, actually.  And a TV hanging up in here.  Right here, actually.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay. 

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  So now, your Dad usually sleeps on which side of the bed?


MR. PORCO:  This is my Mom over here.  My Dad over here.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Okay. 

MR. PORCO:  It's like always, ever since I can remember, they always had those sides.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Right.  Well, that's my home too.  They all sleep pretty much on same side.

MR. PORCO:  My Dad has a habit of -- he has a little dresser right here.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  M-m h-m-m. 

MR. PORCO:  And he'll put pillows (inaudible eight words) or something.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  M-m h-m-m. 

MR. PORCO:  That's why he's on that side, I think.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Now, when --

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Now, whose car do you have?  Whose?

MR. PORCO:  I have my car.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  What is that?

MR. PORCO:  It's a yellow Jeep Wrangler.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  And when did you go back to Rochester?


MR. PORCO:  3:30 on Saturday afternoon.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  How did you go?

MR. PORCO:  What do you mean?

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Which direction were you traveling on?

MR. PORCO:  West on the Thruway.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  You guys have like an EZ-Pass in your cars?  You know, (inaudible two words.)

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Okay. 

MALE:  Chuck, you got a second?

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Both you boys do or the whole family does?

MR. PORCO:  EZ-Pass?

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Yeah.

MR. PORCO:  Everyone does.  There's one in each car.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I use one.  They're great, aren't they?

MR. PORCO:  They are.  My brother's car (inaudible two words.)  My brother's car in South Carolina.  He has one on it.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Oh, sure.

MR. PORCO:  You can use it all the way up.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Exactly.  Exactly.  It's amazing.  I even use it in airports.

MR. PORCO:  I've never done that.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  International airports, you can use them.  Yeah, yeah.  Okay.  What sort of securities would your parents have in the house?

MR. PORCO:  Alarm system, if they remember to turn it on.  Usually it's on.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Did it have like a medic alert or a panic alarm or something on it?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.  If -- like someone was  putting a gun to your head and you're -- that's how it gets on the alarm.  There's like four buttons that you can push that tells the security company that.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Some of them have remotes you can hang or, you know, to have in your -- next to your bed.

MR. PORCO:  They have a remote.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  There was?


MR. PORCO:  I don't know where they keep it?. They used to keep it in their room.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.

MR. PORCO:  I don't know if they ever used it.  They got it because in the downstairs foyer there's a motion sensor, and they got it so they could disarm it in the morning, but they never -- we never use the motion sensor anymore.  My dog used to set it off all the time.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Yeah, sure.  Sure.  Yeah, yeah.

MR. PORCO:  So it's only set on stay, which means, I guess, all the windows and doors are secured, but the motion sensor is not on.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Right.  Right.

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)  

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Sure.

MR. PORCO:  In theory, people can't come in.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well, okay.  So, they probably didn't set it at night?  Is that what you're saying?


MR. PORCO:  No, they normally do.  A lot of times my dog would go out.  He's pretty old.  He's 11 or 12, and a lot of times, he'll come up and whine at one of us at like two or three in the morning.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  M-m h-m-m. 

MR. PORCO:  And we'll let him out, and a lot of times, they'll forget, they don't turn it back on, but --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Right.

MR. PORCO:  -- I don't know if it was armed at the time (inaudible four words), I don't know, but --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Does your Dad get up during the night?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah, typical guy.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well, I mean, is he an early riser or is he --

MR. PORCO:  They both get up around 5:30, I think.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Really?

MR. PORCO:  I think.  My Mom has always gotten up around -- she goes to mass every morning at 7:30.


DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Not to interrupt.  That was my boss that just came in, and he just wanted to make sure that you're all right talking with us, that, you know, we're not in here -- did you hire -- you didn't hire an attorney or anything today, did you?

MR. PORCO:  No.  The guy I generally talk to, he is an attorney, like he's a friend.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Okay.  Is he representing you?

MR. PORCO:  He couldn't probably because of his relationship with my family.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Okay, but you're okay talking to us?

MR. PORCO:  Uh-huh. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  You know, I mean, this is something that we -- I told you we're collecting information, right?

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)  

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Yeah.  And I'm sure you want us to, and I'm sure everybody just wants us to --

MR. PORCO:  Oh, definitely.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  -- get going in the right direction here and do what we've got to do, all right? 

MR. PORCO:  Okay.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  That's why I asked you if your Dad ever got up at night and walked around.

MR. PORCO:  Well, I think my dog, a lot of times, will get him up and have to be let out and, of course, turn off the alarm.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Yeah.

MR. PORCO:  And a lot of times -- I know because I used to come in after that, it wouldn't be on when I would come in.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay. 

MR. PORCO:  But normally, they're pretty good about setting it.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  If you want to initial this.  These are your times and stuff.  That's -- because they weren't in there for.  You've been advised of your rights and you know them.

MR. PORCO:  I understand.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  We talked about the attorney.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  Did your mother get up during the night?

MR. PORCO:  She has before.  She's a very light sleeper.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I mean, like me, I probably get up to pee about three times a night.

MR. PORCO:  Oh, yeah.  My Dad gets up to pee a lot.  My Mom -- well, I don't know if she does.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  But then again, he doesn't have to go that far, right?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.  He goes ten feet, if that.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  There's a bathroom right there.

MR. PORCO:  I've heard her get up a bunch of times.  She'll get up when I get home usually.  She's a pretty light sleeper.  She'll hear me come in.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Excuse me.  Where is your bedroom, across the hallway?

MR. PORCO:  This is the hallway.  My parents' room is over here.  My brother's room is this way.  My parents' room is here and mine is right here.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay. 

MR. PORCO:  There's a bathroom between their room and my room.  That's my bathroom.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  Right.  Yeah.


MR. PORCO:  Mine is at the top of the stairs when you come up the stairs.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Right.  There's a john?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.  There's a john over there.  That's the bottom staircase coming up.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Stairs?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Going down.  Okay.  I got you.  I got you.  So during this -- during the past several weeks, or even a month, do you recall any problems with your parents?

MR. PORCO:  No.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Has your brother had any problems with your parents?  Have you?  Was there anybody else that's had problems?

MR. PORCO:  Many times my parents and I have had issues about financial stuff.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Yeah.

MR. PORCO:  Like who's paying for it and stuff.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay. 

MR. PORCO:  It was nothing real serious or anything.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay. 


MR. PORCO:  My brother is on good terms with them.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Your brother is what?

MR. PORCO:  He's on good terms with them.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Oh, he's on good terms with them? 

MR. PORCO:  Yeah, very much so.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  How long has he been in the Navy?

MR. PORCO:  Well, he's been in ROTC for the -- he's been an officer five years at RIT, and then he's been active since May.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Oh.

MR. PORCO:  Not long though.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  And he hasn't been home since when?

MR. PORCO:  To my knowledge, August, I would think.  You can ask him to make sure, but to my knowledge -- you know what?

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  M-m h-m-m. 

MR. PORCO:  I'm trying to think.  He left for South Carolina maybe in July.  It's been a long time since he's been home.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  July, August?


MR. PORCO:  Yeah.  Around then.  (Inaudible statement.)  

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  And he went back (inaudible two words.)

MR. PORCO:  I'm sure he could tell you the exact dates.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well, he stayed in the states, right?

MR. PORCO:  Oh, he hadn't left at all.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay. 

MR. PORCO:  No, he hasn't.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Does he have to get shipped out?

MR. PORCO:  Is he ready to?

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Might he be or?

MR. PORCO:  Well, he has four months of Nuclear Power School left.  Then he has six months of school in Scotia --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay. 

MR. PORCO:  -- at the reactor there and then he's on a sub. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Oh, okay.  He's gonna do subs?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.  Could be deployed for --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay. 


MR. PORCO:  -- nine months or so, whatever it is.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Yeah.

MR. PORCO:  He'll be back.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  How are you doing in school?

MR. PORCO:  All right. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Are you really?

MR. PORCO:  Not bad.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  What's your grade average?

MR. PORCO:  2.8, 9.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Really?

MR. PORCO:  Could be better.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Yeah.  Could be better, but --

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  (Inaudible statement.)  

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.) 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well, I mean, you've got a vehicle and everything.  I mean, do you leave the college every weekend and come down and see your girlfriend and stuff?


MR. PORCO:  Well, I bought the car in June.  2,000 miles on it, and since then, I'm up to 19, I think or so.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  How much did you pay for that car?

MR. PORCO:  15,9.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  And what year is it?

MR. PORCO:  2004.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Really?  It's four-wheel drive?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  How did you get it so cheap?  It's a Jeep, right, you said?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Jeep Cherokee?

MR. PORCO:  Wrangler.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Wrangler?  That's pretty cheap, isn't it?

MR. PORCO:  I bought it from a guy on

E-Bay, believe it or not.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  No kidding?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.  (Inaudible statement.) 

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  So now, what did -- how is your credit?  Did you do it yourself or is your father helping you?

MR. PORCO:  He co-signs the -- the car loan.


DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  M-m h-m-m.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  How do you pay it every month if you're going to school?

MR. PORCO:  I have money sort of from the summer.  Some reason I have direct pay on my checking account for my car and my cell phone and some other stuff, and I didn't work this past month, and they got a phone call saying (inaudible three words) paid it, so I paid it.  Past two months, they paid it.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  What's your payment each month?

MR. PORCO:  330 a month.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Are you working?

MR. PORCO:  Not presently, no.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  That's a lot of money.

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.  It adds up.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  That's a bigger car payment then I have.

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.  I didn't really anticipate the cost of it when I --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Wow.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  How many years is that up for?


MR. PORCO:  Five.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  And when did you get it?

MR. PORCO:  June.  Early June.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Any other payments that you make?  Credit card?

MR. PORCO:  My cell phone bill.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  You've got a cell phone bill.

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.  That's about 50 a month usually.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  And then you've got your, what, credit card bill?

MR. PORCO:  I have a credit card.  It's about 70 bucks a month or something.  There's about 3,000 on it.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Visa?

MR. PORCO:  It's American Express.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay. 

MR. PORCO:  It's one of those stupid student cards.  They give you a ton of credit, and --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I know.

MR. PORCO:  I (indecipherable two words) it.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Right.


DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  So who has been paying for these since you've been not working?

MR. PORCO:  Me.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  How are you doing that?

MR. PORCO:  American Express bill, I think, is late, actually.  I'm not really sure.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  M-m h-m-m. 

MR. PORCO:  But (inaudible two words) nature.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  What about the car?

MR. PORCO:  What about it?

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  You said you were late on the car also?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.  My parents paid that.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  They did?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  They didn't pay it off, did they?

MR. PORCO:  Not that I know of anyway.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Just --

MR. PORCO:  Just two months.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Two payments?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  M-m h-m-m. 


MR. PORCO:  That's about it.  I have expenses for school and stuff.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Sure you do.  Sure.

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  So your parents paid for school all the time?  They pay the full bill on the school all the time?

MR. PORCO:  They paid the past two years.  They've gotten Federal Plus loans for this year.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Yup.

MR. PORCO:  Past semester, we had a Federal Plus loan too, and the past semester -- I mean, mostly -- I'll be paying, hopefully, and I'll get a loan for the rest of it.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Do you stay on campus?

MR. PORCO:  Yup.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  You do?

MR. PORCO:  M-m h-m-m. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  You got a roommate?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Is he okay?


MR. PORCO:  He hasn't -- I don't think he knows -- I'm sure he knows now ... but it's a weird situation.  I'm in fraternity, and we have a Regional Director who is like responsible for overseeing 27 different chapters or fraternities in the area, and he was staying with us last night.  I'm trying to figure out (inaudible three words) --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  M-m h-m-m. 

MR. PORCO:  -- and he was in my bed.  So I was in the lounge.  My roommate was in his girlfriend's room, I think, or something.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay. 

MR. PORCO:  So, my roommate, I haven't seen him since yesterday afternoon.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.

MR. PORCO:  Actually, I saw him this morning.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Usually a fraternity doesn't stay on campus though, does he?  Or in

a --

MR. PORCO:  At U of R they are.  Not every fraternity is in a house. We are on the floor of the building.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay. 


MR. PORCO:  So, we have like -- there's four suites of six people each, and there's a big lounge, couches and stuff in the middle.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay. 

MR. PORCO:  Slept on one of the couches.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  So basically you're staying in a dorm room?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Right.

MR. PORCO:  Yeah, right, in a dorm room, in a double dorm room.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  All right.  Did you park your -- your vehicle at the dorm all the time?

MR. PORCO:  No.  I park it off campus.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Why is that?

MR. PORCO:  M-m-m?

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Why -- why would you do that?

MR. PORCO:  It's expensive on campus.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  They charge you to park your car?


MR. PORCO:  Yeah.  It's 300 something a year.  It's not too expensive.  The fact that you can pay that much money and get a spot that's literally far away, literally five, six miles away.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  So how do you get back and forth to your car?

MR. PORCO:  Exactly.  You walk or you can find a ride with someone.  Where I park is actually closer than a lot of the lots that people pay for.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  You park in the same spot all the time?

MR. PORCO:  More or less.  You might find a one-way street.  So, anywhere I can find a spot on the street.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Where do you usually park?  What's the name of the street?

MR. PORCO:  Genessee Street.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Genessee Street?

MR. PORCO:  M-m h-m-m. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well, now -- now, how old are you?

MR. PORCO:  21.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  How old is your brother?

MR. PORCO:  23.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  So you're -- you're the baby in the family, technically speaking?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I'm the baby in my family too.

MR. PORCO:  Really?

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  You okay?

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Does this -- this surprises you quite a it, doesn't it, that something like this can happen?

MR. PORCO:  Incredibly.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Incredibly, right.

MR. PORCO:  The way -- it hasn't really hit me, I don't think.  The way it was presented to me, it was just --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Insensitive.

MR. PORCO:  Oh, I think she assumed that I already knew.  It's just weird how she worded it, and after that, you know, I called you guys, and every time the phone would ring, I thought it was you guys calling me back, and it was another person from the press.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  So the Times Union -- what was her first name?


MR. PORCO:  I started with an M, I think it was Marlene or Marcy or something.  I don't know.  I know her supervisor called me back and apologized, and then proceeded to hammer me with more questions.  You know, I tend to be polite, but at that point, I wasn't in any mood for it.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well, let me tell you, I'm going to deal with it.

MR. PORCO:  I don't really understand how they came -- I guess they came up with my number online, but --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Right.

MR. PORCO:  -- and then, you know, Rochester paper called and News 10 and Channel 13 News.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Sure.

MR. PORCO:  I understand how the press works, and they have the responsibility and stuff like that, so  ‑‑

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Yeah, if there's a

line --

MR. PORCO:  I know.  It's kind of irritating.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  You know, you kind of wait until everybody has been notified and it's absorbed a little bit.


MR. PORCO:  That would be -- I really think she thought that I had been notified.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Yeah, but she told you that --

MR. PORCO:  Well, her -- what she said exactly to me was, she said, hi, this is so and so from the Times Union.  Do you have any comments on your parents' murder today or something like that?  And, you know, she was under the impression that my mother was also dead. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Wow.

MR. PORCO:  So that's what I thought for, you know, a good half hour, and then I actually looked at Timesunion.com and read more about it.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  You did?

MR. PORCO:  And saw my mother was -- you know, had been taken to the hospital.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Right.  In fact, she -- she had been in -- she was still, you know, with us when I was there.

MR. PORCO:  Right.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  But obviously, in pretty severe --


MR. PORCO:  John said she would be out for like ten hours or so in surgery.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I would think all that, but I would think that also -- there's severe injuries.

MR. PORCO:  Was she coherent?  Could she speak?

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  She could communicate.  You know, and it's very difficult because, you know --

MR. PORCO:  I mean, could she walk and --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  No.  Well, she didn't demonstrate that.

MR. PORCO:  I was told it wasn't, you know, life threatening or anything.  It was --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well, you know, I've got to tell you.  There's very serious injuries.  All right?  Were they life threatening?  I mean, I'm not a doctor, you're not a doctor.

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I look at her and say --

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I just say, oh, my God.  Right?  I mean, I see enough injuries over the years where I -- I have seen a hospital do some miraculous things.  I really have.  You know.  She wasn't left there that long.

MR. PORCO:  Right.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I mean, it was still -- she was still, you know, breathing really well and able to communicate to some extent, you know, and --

MR. PORCO:  I have a question.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  M-m h-m-m. 

MR. PORCO:  I was told that the Judge my father works for --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  M-m h-m-m. 

MR. PORCO:  -- was going to send someone to my house to check up on him because my Dad didn't show up for work this morning.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Right.

MR. PORCO:  I was wondering who it was.  I am curious.  Do you have any idea?

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  That showed up at the house?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.  Like (inaudible two words.)


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  It was an officer of the Court.

MR. PORCO:  Oh, was it?

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Yeah, yeah.

MR. PORCO:  I was just curious.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Yeah.  Sure, sure.  Was there like a hide-a-key left outside?

MR. PORCO:  There's a couple.  There was one under the deck in the back.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Under the deck where?

MR. PORCO:  There's a nail.  It's hard to describe.  I think I can show you.  There's one under the deck, and the right side of the door, there's a planter, and it's in one of those little things in the planter on the right side of the door.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Whereabouts under the deck?

MR. PORCO:  There's stairs on the deck.  If you're standing on the concrete slab, leads up to the stairs.  If you look -- if you kneel and look left, like up, right there.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Under the stairs?


MR. PORCO:  No.  It's -- if you're looking at the stairs, it goes like this and there's stairs right here that go down.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  M-m h-m-m. 

MR. PORCO:  If you're standing on the concrete right here.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  M-m h-m-m. 

MR. PORCO:  It's the same side.  It's like under here.  Like there's slats going this way under the deck, and it's attached under the slats like that. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay. 

MR. PORCO:  Hanging on a nail.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Under slats.

MR. PORCO:  And then --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  On the concrete deck?

MR. PORCO:  The front door like this.  There's a planter here and a planter here, and then on the right side of the door, there's like these plastic things you can pop them off and there's a key inside.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Under the planter --

MR. PORCO:  No. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  -- did you say?


MR. PORCO:  There's like pillars in the planter.  I don't know what you call them, and there's a little thing on top, and the plastic cap pops off and like a (inaudible four words) keys.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  M-m h-m-m.  Those are pillars?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.  I don't know what you want to call them, but --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  What are they made of?

MR. PORCO:  Plastic.  They're white planters.  Just normally some type of flower in there.  I'm not sure what there is. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay. 

MR. PORCO:  I mean, we don't ever use the front door though.  I rarely use the front door.  It's usually the garage where you go in and out. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Garage opener or anything?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.  There's a key pad on the door that my brother and I have always used.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay. 

MR. PORCO:  My parents have openers in their cars.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  What's the key pad combination?


MR. PORCO:  378 star.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Star first?

MR. PORCO:  Star last.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Star last.

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.  That's right.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  All right.  Now, is there anybody that works around the house?  Anybody does the lawn.  Anybody that's, you

know --

MR. PORCO:  Not really.  I mean, a lot of people would know our garage code and know where the key is.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  How would they know that?

MR. PORCO:  Like friends of mine and stuff, you know, like would come home and (inaudible three words.)  And there were times I'd use the key.  I use the front door a lot late at night.  Just because of less noise because I don't want to wake up anybody.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay. 

MR. PORCO:  It's not as intrusive, I guess.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Sure.  Well --


MR. PORCO:  That was more -- that was more in high school, I would use the front door and come home late at night and stuff.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Right.  Right.  Well, that's why, I guess I asked you if there was any valuables left in the house.  I mean, in all these situations, we try to find motives.

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well, that's the thing we do.

MR. PORCO:  Right.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  So was there large amounts of cash?  Was there --

MR. PORCO:  You know, I --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  -- jewelry?  Was

there --

MR. PORCO:  I mean, my mother does have jewelry.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Stock bonds?

MR. PORCO:  I don't know.  They've never had large amounts of cash in the house before.  My Mom has jewelry, but nothing, you know, extravagant or huge.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Did your father ever have any problems with anybody from work?


MR. PORCO:  I mean, he's had death threats and stuff before.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Right.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  When was that?

MR. PORCO:  It was more when he used to work in Criminal Court and stuff.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Yeah.  I remember that. 

MR. PORCO:  He had, you know, people call they're going to kill us and stuff, that type of thing.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Because you're listed in the phone book?

MR. PORCO:  I mean, I don't think, to my knowledge, he ever have anything like that in years.  I mean, he's an easy guy to get along with, you know?

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I remember when he was working there. 

MR. PORCO:  Oh, he's the best.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  That's how we got to know him.

MR. PORCO:  He's a wonderful guy.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  So how is your relationship with both your parents?


MR. PORCO:  It's good.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  I mean, I had a problem with one of my parents.  You know, so I mean, most of us -- you usually kind of lean towards, you know, one or the other.  I mean, you've got to talk to one or the other or one is usually a pain in --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Do you go to your Dad (inaudible three words)?

MR. PORCO:  Definitely.  My Dad was more -- he wouldn't jump to conclusions as fast, and he wouldn't start yelling and stuff.  (Inaudible three words) my Dad.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay. 

MR. PORCO:  Something like that.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  How was your Mom?

MR. PORCO:  She would be fine after the initial reaction.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Right.

MR. PORCO:  My Dad was oh, I better calm her down, you know?  They interacted very well together.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Who was the -- who was the disciplinarian?


MR. PORCO:  Both of them, depending on what was done.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Really?

MR. PORCO:  You know, after my brother graduated high school, we don't have any problems with that.  I got caught drinking when I was in ninth grade, but beyond that.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Neither one of you kids give ‑‑ were any problems?

MR. PORCO:  No.  John is a wonderful kid.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  And how old is John?

MR. PORCO:  23.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  You're what?

MR. PORCO:  21.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  21?

MR. PORCO:  He is very much a straight shooter and a (inaudible two words) boy.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Now, have you talked to your brother?

MR. PORCO:  I have not.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Okay. 


MR. PORCO:  At all.  He wasn't answering his phone when I did call.  He was probably -- in his school, you can't have cell phones in it because of classified stuff.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Right.  Now, you said -- what day was it that you and your father emailed each other about the school loan?

MR. PORCO:  It's been ongoing the past week, I would say.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  And what was up with that deal, email about?  Was that another thing that you were behind on?

MR. PORCO:  No, no, no.  Next semester, I told them I would be paying for school, and I asked my father to co-sign a loan.  He agreed to it, and when the loan was disbursed, it was disbursed for this past semester and next semester.  So it was like a total of 30 grand in loans --

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  M-m h-m-m. 

MR. PORCO:  -- and he didn't want that, and I didn't want it either.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  M-m h-m-m. 

MR. PORCO:  So what he did was he cancelled that loan and got one through the government, which was a cheaper interest rate.  It was like


-- I don't know what the interest rate was for the private one.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Okay.  So, did he initially apply for that loan or did you do that on your own?

MR. PORCO:  I applied for it.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Okay.  Did you sign his signature to it or did that -- 

MR. PORCO:  No.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  You didn't?

MR. PORCO:  No.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Okay. 

MR. PORCO:  No.  As far as I know, there was no signature signed yet.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Well, with your initial application, you have to sign.

MR. PORCO:  There wasn't anything like that.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  For most loans.  Never heard of a loan where you didn't sign.

MR. PORCO:  I mean, it was all done online.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  So you did it online?

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Did you have to type in your name?

MR. PORCO:  Well, you type in your information and stuff.


DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  So you applied on the computer?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  From where, school or home?

MR. PORCO:  School.  I asked him, you know, can I have your Social Security number and that stuff and he gave me a (inaudible two words) from work saying that he was employed there.  He had to get some of his tax information, his wage stubs and stuff, and he gave me all that and I faxed it to (inaudible four words.)  (Inaudible three words) for me.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay. 

MR. PORCO:  And that was about it.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Yeah, because I remember when I --

MR. PORCO:  It was pretty involved.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Was it?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.  I never done it before.  It's pretty involved.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  So, would you -- did you get the money from that loan, and what did you do, send it back?


MR. PORCO:  The money was sent to my school, and it was -- he sent it back because we were -- we were both under the understanding that it wasn't going to be for the past semester also.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  M-m h-m-m. 

MR. PORCO:  It was.  That was my mistake, and I filled out the paperwork wrong or whatever.  So he told me to refund the money back to Citi Bank or whoever it was.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  M-m h-m-m. 

MR. PORCO:  And he applied for a Federal loan at a lower interest rate for this past semester.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Okay. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well, when I did it online, I remember you type in your name and then you press authorized signature.

MR. PORCO:  I honestly don't remember anything like that.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Yeah.  I mean, that's what I recall doing.

MR. PORCO:  You know, I may have.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Because you can't -- you can't actually sign your name.  So they tell you to type it in --

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  -- then press the button that says authorized signature.

MR. PORCO:  I honestly don't remember anything like that.  I mean, obviously, they need a signature.  I was under the impression that the loan wasn't finalized yet at all.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Yeah.

MR. PORCO:  I was under the impression we were going to get stuff in the mail.  You know, actual contract --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Sure.

MR. PORCO:  -- you could sign.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Sure.

MR. PORCO:  But I never did.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Have you talked to the doctors down at the hospital, any of them that are taking care of your Mom?

MR. PORCO:  Not at all, no.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  I was wondering what the latest update was.

MR. PORCO:  I don't know. 


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  She was in the operating room when you left, right?

MR. PORCO:  Well, that's what I was told.  I mean, I (inaudible two words) and you guys kind of --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well, my understanding was --

MR. PORCO:  Yeah, I understand --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  -- that she was going to be in there for a while.  So that it wouldn't -- you know, you --

MR. PORCO:  No, that's fine with me.  That's why I had no problem (inaudible two words), at all.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  So we're going to try and take the opportunity to gather as much information as we can during that time, which probably would include, you know, talking to your brother when he gets up here, talking to all the family members, and obviously, everybody in the neighborhood.

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  You know, because we have to, and, you know, originally, I didn't know that you were in town for the weekend --


MR. PORCO:  M-m h-m-m. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  -- until you said something to me. 

MR. PORCO:  Okay.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Originally, I thought maybe you weren't, so I didn't know how much information you could give us.

MR. PORCO:  Right.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  But how often did you come down to see -- well, Sarah goes to college too, right?

MR. PORCO:  Sarah goes to college in Fairfield.  I've gone to see her twice down there.  It's about a six-hour drive.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  But last weekend, she was home?

MR. PORCO:  Last weekend, yes, she came home.  This past weekend she came home.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay. 

MR. PORCO:  The weekend before that, I went down to see her, and probably two or three weeks before that, I went down to see her too.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  And you stayed at her house instead of your parents' house?


MR. PORCO:  When, on Friday?

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Yeah.

MR. PORCO:  Yes.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  That's what you did.  Okay.  And what is she, a high school --

MR. PORCO:  We didn't meet until the summer, actually.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Oh.

MR. PORCO:  We're probably going together about a month or so.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  she went to BC too, right?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah, she did.  I didn't know her in high school at all.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Oh, you didn't?

MR. PORCO:  No.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  How did you meet her?

MR. PORCO:  I have a friend named Kelly who is friends with her and friends with me and met her at her house like May of this year.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Kelly?

MR. PORCO:  Pattern (phonetic), from Glenmont.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I don't think I know her either.

MR. PORCO:  Kelly teaches at the Albany Academy.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Oh, does she?

MR. PORCO:  Her father teaches at Albany Academy.  She went to Bethlehem. (Inaudible statement) actually, I'm not too sure.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  Well, all right.  So just so I get this whole thing straight.  You left town at about 3:15, and I've got to ask these questions.

MR. PORCO:  M-m h-m-m.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  All right?  You left your girlfriend's at 3:15.  You stopped at your parents' house briefly on Saturday?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Right after that.  Nobody was home except for the dog.

MR. PORCO:  Yeah, I went in, saw the dog and left.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay. 

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Where did you go when you went in -- into the house?

MR. PORCO:  What do you mean?


DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Where was the dog?

MR. PORCO:  In the family room.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Family room is considered?

MR. PORCO:  You come in the garage door.  I came in the front door when I came in.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Okay.  That's all the way in the back to the right?

MR. PORCO:  Yes.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Okay. 

MR. PORCO:  I came in the fron,, , t door because I don't have a garage door opener. 

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Okay. 

MR. PORCO:  And I have a key on my key chain to the front door.  Actually, I have it here.  I have a key to the front door, so I use that.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.

MR. PORCO:  And when I opened the door, the dog came, you know, say hi, went over and turned off the alarm, and went over to the garage, looked to see if there was a car to see if my parents were home.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Do you guys keep a spare key in the house somewhere?  Anywheres?


MR. PORCO:  Two of them.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Where?

MR. PORCO:  There's one --

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Okay. 

MR. PORCO:  -- under the deck in the back, and there's one in the -- right by the planter, the front door.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Okay. 

MR. PORCO:  And those keys work for the garage door -- the garage door and the front door of the house.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Okay. 

MR. PORCO:  They're the same lock.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  So, Saturday when you -- after you found out nobody was home, you left, got on the Thruway and then drove back to --

MR. PORCO:  Directly back to college.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Right.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  And you left.  What exit did you get on?

MR. PORCO:  I got on 24 and got off at 46.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Got on -- oh, the one in Colonie?  The one in Albany, 23.

MR. PORCO:  No, 24.  I go down 85 to I-90.


DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Oh, okay.  All right.

MR. PORCO:  And to the Thruway from there.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  To what exit?

MR. PORCO:  46.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  46.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  24 to 46, yeah.

MR. PORCO:  Right.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  You've got an EZ-Pass?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  We've got to pull that information up.  We've got to make sure it's going to be on --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Yeah.  I mean, do you ever use another route?

MR. PORCO:  No, never.  There isn't any other alternative.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  There isn't? 

MR. PORCO:  And what would you do except the Thruway?  Route 5, I guess, but that would take about eight hours.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I guess. 

MR. PORCO:  I don't know why you'd want to do that.  The Thruway is --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Right.


MR. PORCO:  I mean, it's a long drive.  It's about over three hours.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Did you stop anywheres along the way?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.  I stopped to get gas.  I got gas in Albany.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Before you got on the Thruway?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.  I have a Mobil card with my parents.  I filled up.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  A Mobil card?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.  It will take me a full tank to get from Rochester to Albany.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  M-m h-m-m. 

MR. PORCO:  So I always fill up on either end.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Right.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  When I go to Fairfield, I fill up (inaudible three words.)

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Right.

MR. PORCO:  Excuse me.  I'm trying to think where I filled up that day.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Did you start out with a half a tank or?


MR. PORCO:  There's a -- there is a Mobil station on east -- westbound, I don't think for a while. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  M-m h-m-m. 

MR. PORCO:  I mean, you could pull up the record.  I'm sure I filled up somewhere around here.  I don't remember where it was.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Do you have your credit card with you so I can check?  Maybe you have a gas card or anything?

MR. PORCO:  It's at school.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  At the school?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.  My parents both have one, same account.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I see.

MR. PORCO:  That's the only way we get gas is at Mobil.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I see.  So is it a Mobil card?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah, it's a Mobil card.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Oh, okay.

MR. PORCO:  And a Mobil credit card.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  That would be the same number that would be at your parents' house, right?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah, the same -- the same account.  Everything is the same.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay. 

MR. PORCO:  Because my name is on it, but the same account.  It's probably the same thing.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well, just out of curiosity, it seems as though you had some payments that are made unless your parents were making them completely for you.  I mean, how would you afford to make them?

MR. PORCO:  I work all summer.  Those funds are dwindling now.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  So you had a job over the summer?  Where did you go to work?

MR. PORCO:  Bethlehem Veterinary Hospital.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay. 

MR. PORCO:  I was there 35 hours a week, usually, 30 hours a week.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  And how much do you think you earned over the summer to be able to put away for college and stuff like that?

MR. PORCO:  I was making ten an hour.  I worked from May through August.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  M-m h-m-m. 

MR. PORCO:  About four grand.  Something like that.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Was it that much?

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Really?

MR. PORCO:  Get money for my birthday and stuff.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Sure, sure.  So your brother all that time was down in Virginia?

MR. PORCO:  My brother graduated in May and was stationed in Rochester for the summer, and got sent down to South Carolina and (inaudible two words) July or August.  I'm not sure exactly which one.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Right, right.

MR. PORCO:  I'm sorry, but I can't --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Sure.

MR. PORCO:  He's been there ever since.  Yeah, ever since.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  She's out of surgery.

MR. PORCO:  Really?

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Yeah.

MR. PORCO:  How's she doing?


DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  (Inaudible three words) right now.  The officer is with him, so --

MR. PORCO:  I'll have to go down soon.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Oh, yeah. 

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well, that's a good sign.  Okay?  That is a good sign.  I've got to hit the head for a minute.  All right.  I'll be right back.  Usually -- when your brother comes up here, I do the same exact time thing with him.

MR. PORCO:  M-m h-m-m. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  All right?  You've got to understand something, Chris.  We've got to connect all the dots here, right?  I mean, I usually ask every family member, are you willing to take a polygraph?

MR. PORCO:  M-m h-m-m. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Are you willing to take a polygraph?

MR. PORCO:  Sure.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  And I would ask the same thing of your brother.  All right? 

MR. PORCO:  Yeah, sure.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  It's -- it is sort of a procedural thing in a case like this.  Also, I usually ask if you would be willing to give us a sample.

MR. PORCO:  Sure.  DNA, yeah, sure.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well, it's just saliva.  That's all it is.  It's no big deal.

MR. PORCO:  Definitely.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  All right.  Have you ever been arrested?

MR. PORCO:  No.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  You're a clean mother, aren't you?

MR. PORCO:  Right.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  And probably, I'd ask you to give some kind of (inaudible two words.)

MR. PORCO:  Of course.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay?

MR. PORCO:  M-m h-m-m. 


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  And I appreciate you helping us out here, all right?  Let me go.  I'm going to get a couple things and I'm going to come right back, since I've got to go to the little boy's room for a second.  I'll be right back.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  The other thing that we do, we ask just to check out your arms and stuff like that.  You guys -- you haven't been like to Iraq and stuff like that and get all banged up?  (Inaudible statement.)

MR. PORCO:  I have scratches and stuff from the vet.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  From what?

MR. PORCO:  From the vet.  They're old.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  You got a shirt on  underneath that?

MR. PORCO:  Yes.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Why don't you stand up and it will be easier just so I can say I looked.  Can you lift up your shirt?  Can you turn around for me.  Let me just see.  Lean back towards -- no.  (Inaudible statement.)  Okay.  We'll just -- I just want to check out your legs.

MR. PORCO:  Sure.

MR. PORCO:  Do you want me to take my pants off?

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Yeah.

MR. PORCO:  Sure.


DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Okay.  Just lift up your boxers.  You don't have to -- okay.  What's this stuff?

MR. PORCO:  I don't know.  I've got acne.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Okay.  What did you have to eat today?

MR. PORCO:  Soda, cookies, hot dog.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Damn.  You're not going to be a nutritionist, are you?

MR. PORCO:  No.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  You can have a seat.  Just leave that off for now.  It's getting warm in here.

MR. PORCO:  That's about it.  Water.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Okay.  It's friggin' like an oven in here.  I'm going to take my shirt off in a minute.  So, yeah, EZ-Pass, that saves you a lot of money.  What would it cost you --

MR. PORCO:  It does.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  What would it cost you one way?

MR. PORCO:  I have absolutely no idea.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  It would be like seven or eight bucks one way each time you go?


MR. PORCO:  I don't know.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Fifteen bucks.  Probably right there without that thing.

MR. PORCO:  Well, you're paying anyway,

but --

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Well, you must -- not really.  I mean, it's like $80 or $90 for a year.

MR. PORCO:  Well, no.  You've got to pay as you go.  I mean, it deducts from your account.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Is that how it works?

MR. PORCO:  Oh, yeah.  You give them a credit card number and it deducts from your account.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  I thought you paid $80 for the year.

MR. PORCO:  I was under the impression that you pay maybe $20 on your credit card and every time it gets low --

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  M-m h-m-m. 

MR. PORCO:  -- they charge more.  That was my impression.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Did your father get pissed off at you over this loan thing that went on?  I mean, this --


MR. PORCO:  He was definitely stressing about it.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Yeah.

MR. PORCO:  I wouldn't say pissed.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  I'd be pissed.  I'll tell you that.  If I found out my kid put a $32 a month -- a $32,000 a month --

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.  At first he was, I guess, pissed, yeah.  That's a good word.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  What did he say?

MR. PORCO:  He said, you know, fix it.  He said, I don't have (inaudible one word) money, fix it.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Did your Mom know about it or no?  Was she there when he found out or?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah, she knows.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Does she?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.  I think so.  I didn't talk to her about it, but I assume that she knows.  They talk, you know, pretty open about stuff.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Right.

MR. PORCO:  I don't know.  I honestly don't know, but I would assume so.       


DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  How long is it going to take you to fix it?

MR. PORCO:  Fix it?

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Like your father said.

MR. PORCO:  It's not fixed yet.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  No?

MR. PORCO:  I'm sure about --

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  What did you get a little -- did both you guys get in a little argument over it or?

MR. PORCO:  No, and I've got to get a job, obviously.  I have to pay it by, you know, May or so.  You know, I'll probably just get a loan in my name.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  M-m h-m-m. 

MR. PORCO:  Smaller loan, that way he'll co-sign for it, and just do it that way.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Right.

MR. PORCO:  And next year, ROTC will be paying for it so he won't have to pay for it for next year.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  When you came home over the weekend, what were you wearing, do you remember?


MR. PORCO:  I can tell you in a second.  These jeans I'm wearing now.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Uh-huh. 

MR. PORCO:  A red collared shirt and a white undershirt.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Tee shirt?

MR. PORCO:  Huh?

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Tee shirt like you've got on now?

MR. PORCO:  Yes.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  What about your feet?  Sneaks or those or what do you usually wear?  Sandals?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Sandals?

MR. PORCO:  I might wear (inaudible two words).

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  In this time of year?

MR. PORCO:  Oh, yeah, definitely.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  You're not one of these guys that wear sandals and socks, are you?

MR. PORCO:  No.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Oh, thank God.  I was going to make fun of you.


MR. PORCO:  Actually, I've been wearing shoes, and I hardly ever wear them.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Yeah.  So who broke the news to your brother?

MR. PORCO:  I don't know.  We couldn't reach him.  Like I said, they can't have cell phones where he is.  So what I did -- well, the security of U of R did, they called the Naval Unit, ROTC Unit at U of R, and they called the Captain who called the -- that's my brother's station.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  M-m h-m-m. 

MR. PORCO:  See if they could find him.  I'm not really sure who found him first, if it was someone on the telephone or someone on the base, but I don't know.  I know he called my uncle (inaudible four words), so I don't know.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Okay. 

MR. PORCO:  I have not talked to him personally at all.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Who -- who spoke with you?  Who broke the news to you?

MR. PORCO:  The Times Union.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  I'm sure they were real compassionate. 


MR. PORCO:  They assumed that I had already known, I think.  She asked me -- she said -- her exact words, were do you have any comment on your parents' murders today or something like that.  I thought it was a joke at first.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Right.

MR. PORCO:  And --

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  So who was it that you spoke with, do you know?

MR. PORCO:  Marcy or something with an M.  (Inaudible statement.)  

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  What time was that?

MR. PORCO:  I don't know.  Maybe three.  I'm not really sure.  I first knew there was something going on when -- I have a friend, my girlfriend, Sarah, her sister drove by.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Who's Sarah?

MR. PORCO:  My girlfriend.  You asked me her name before.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  What's her last name?

MR. PORCO:  Fischer.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Okay. 

MR. PORCO:  Her sister drove by.


DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Is that the one you stayed overnight?

MR. PORCO:  Yes.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Okay. 

MR. PORCO:  Her sister is in high school, and she drove by and saw (inaudible three words) and these people.  She thought they were probably down the street from my house.  She told me that, and then two minutes later the Times Union called.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  So what, she call you or?

MR. PORCO:  I was talking to Sarah online and Sarah was talking to her sister online.  She told Sarah.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Oh, so you were all online at the same time?  You have her sister on your -- able to talk to her or not?

MR. PORCO:  No.  No, I did talk to her.  And I asked her where it was and stuff.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  M-m h-m-m. 

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  So Sarah initiated the conversation with you on that?

MR. PORCO:  Well, she copied what her sister had said.


DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Uh-huh. 

MR. PORCO:  I guess, you know, they were driving by and stopped and asked them what was going on and someone said --

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Who, who?  They stopped?

MR. PORCO:  I guess her sister and friend stopped and said, what's going on?  The guy was like there was a murder, somebody's been murdered or something like that.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  What's Sarah's sister's  name?

MR. PORCO:  Kate?  I'm not sure.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  This is like one of the easiest things you're ever going to do.  It really is.

MR. PORCO:  I did it in bio or something like that.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  You probably did, right?  Chuckie, can you check underneath that counter right there and see if the tube is underneath there?

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  If what?

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  The tube is underneath there.


DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Oh, probably.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I appreciate it.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Did you put -- do you have one back in here?

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I think I put it back.  No, the sink area.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  No.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  All right.  Could you please check in the lab?

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  All right.  Thank you.  This is very easy, Chris.  What you do is you put it up against your gums and your teeth and you rub like this for about 30 seconds.

MR. PORCO:  Press it down on my gum?

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Right.  Okay?

MR. PORCO:  Sure.  Like that?

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Yeah.  Kind of sucks, doesn't it?

MR. PORCO:  Kind of, yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Sorry.

MR. PORCO:  I know.  It hasn't hit me yet.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  That's why we try to get this over with as quick as possible early in the game because of that.  Thank you.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  So, your brother is doing the military thing.  How about you?

MR. PORCO:  Yup, I'm in ROTC too.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  You're in ROTC?

MR. PORCO:  Kind of.  I'll be joining at the end of this year.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Oh, you're not a member yet?

MR. PORCO:  I was freshman year, and then didn't really know if I wanted to do it or not.  Kind of left and failing (inaudible five words.)  (Indecipherable three words) I'll probably be doing it.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  ROTC at the college?

MR. PORCO:  It would require staying another year, but.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  So, you were in it the first year?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah, I was in freshman year.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  And you took a year off or you left it or?

MR. PORCO:  Left it basically.  They --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Any reason or?


MR. PORCO:  A couple of reasons.  My grades weren't good.  That was the biggest reason.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay. 

MR. PORCO:  That's probably the only reason.  Obviously, my grades weren't good.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay. 

MR. PORCO:  I wasn't really sure if I wanted to do it.  (Inaudible two words), but I pretty much do want to do it, so.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  All right.  So you're in ROTC.  You left because of bad grades?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Now, you're thinking about going back in?

MR. PORCO:  They have a two-year program you can do.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  They do?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  Tell you what.  Let's try this fingerprint thing.  Get that out of the way.

MR. PORCO:  Sure.  Do I have to come over there?


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Yeah, why don't you step over here, Chris.  Matter of fact, I'm supposed to get rid of my gun in the station.  It's one of those things, you know.

MR. PORCO:  Why is that?

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well, it's a safety thing, you know.  And usually -- usually there's prisoners back here.

MR. PORCO:  Somebody can grab it.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  You know what I mean?  Yeah.  So, any minute now somebody could walk in with a prisoner.

MR. PORCO:  I remember sitting in there in Cub Scouts. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Did you?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  We're getting these -- these new printing setups that have got glass and just lay your hand on it, and you know.

MR. PORCO:  Cool.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Yeah.  We should have them before the year is out.  Yeah, it is pretty cool, actually.  We're waiting for (inaudible three words.)   Okay.  I can't do this.  Now, seeing you have never been a product of the


law -- 

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Did you find that roller or no?

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  No, I didn't, Chuckie.  Is it downstairs in the lab?

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  I didn't get a chance -- I didn't get down there yet.  I didn't really, everybody intercepts ya.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Can you run down there, you think?

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Yeah.  I'll go down now.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Thanks.  Okay.  Here we go.  When did you say your brother -- you think your brother was going to be here?

MR. PORCO:  11:30, I think they said.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Tonight?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  I've got to swing you around in all kinds of odd ways.  You might want to come around back of me.  I don't want to twist your hand anymore than I have to.  Okay.  Now, why don't you hang there for a minute.  You can wash your hands if you want to, but I'm just going to get it inky again.  Oh, here it is right here.  This is something else we do.  All right. Could you get a couple sheets of copy paper out of the machine for me?

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Yeah.

MR. PORCO:  Can I wash these or no?

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  No, why don't you leave it that way.  I just -- you know, it makes it easier this way.  All right.  What you've got to do, Chuckie, is get these -- see these rubber bands?

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Yeah, I know.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  I got ink on me, so hold that around for me like that, okay?  Good.  All right, now the other hand.  Yeah.  Okay.  You out to the edges?  Yes, they are.  Great.  Okay.  What I'm going to do, Dave, is -- is do palm prints, which is the same as the fingerprint.  It's just that all this stuff you've got all lines through here and everything.

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Just like the bottom of your feet, right? 

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  All right, come on over here.  Sit right there. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Let me see.  Why don't we try this one first, all right?  You've got to sort of curve up in your palm there.  And you've got prints up the side here too.  Pretty amazing shit, actually.  Hold on a second.

MR. PORCO:  Are all palm prints unique too?

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Yeah.  Well, amazingly enough, they are.  It's kind of crazy, but you wouldn't think so, how there could be so many different people in the world and, you know, not have anybody's the same.  I don't know.  That's what they tell me.  All right.  Now, what I'm going to do put your hand right here, and then I'm just going to roll it this way.  So, put your hand out straight, fingers spread just a little bit, okay, and now I'm going to roll it this way.  All right.  I'm going to take your hand just from the side there, and go like that.  Okay. 

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Right hand?

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  This is right hand.  I'm making a mess of you, Dave.

MR. PORCO:  Chris.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Chris.  What am I saying?  I get so many different names in here, you know?  Chris said he was in ROTC for a little while.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Oh, yeah?

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Yeah, but he left because of bad grades last year. 

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  M-m h-m-m.  That's your freshman year?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  (Inaudible statement.)

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Here we go. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  See if we can do this.  Same thing.  Out just a little bit more.  There you go.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  (On phone, off camera.)

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  Chris, why don't you wash up for me?  Get that soap (inaudible two words.)

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Push down.  Yeah, that's on.  (Inaudible statement.)

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  All right.  That's all right.  I think there's a spot for me to sign this one too.  Okay. 


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  Chris, what do you do for free time?

MR. PORCO:  I was on the varsity swim team last year.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  You were on the swim team when you were a freshman?

MR. PORCO:  And sophomore.  I spend a lot of time playing squash (inaudible three words).

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  So, the first two years you were on the swim team?

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  How did you do?

MR. PORCO:  Better in high school.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  You were on the swim team in high school?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Let me ask you a question.  Were you always trying to keep up with your brother's accomplishments?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.  (Inaudible statement.)

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Oh, did you?  Yeah, what was he good at?

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Was he?


DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Chris, the clothes that you said you wore over the weekend to your parents, where are they now?

MR. PORCO:  I'm wearing the pants.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  M-m h-m-m. 

MR. PORCO:  The white shirt and the red shirt would be at school.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Whereabouts?

MR. PORCO:  Or in my room probably.  I've got to clean my room still.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  You don't have a hamper or anything you use or?  Where do you do your laundry?

MR. PORCO:  Where?

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Yeah.

MR. PORCO:  At school.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Okay. 

MR. PORCO:  Presently, there is a -- two net bags full of clean laundry that I had just done, and it's in my closet, and next to them, there's like some dirty clothes stuck there that's (indecipherable two words).

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Where do you shower up?

MR. PORCO:  There is a shower in my suite.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Is it shared?


MR. PORCO:  Yes.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.   

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Can I -- I just want to look at your tee shirt again.  Just face me.   You know, just for my own peace of mind, do you mind if I take this?

MR. PORCO:  Take it for what?

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Just because -- I just want to rule out.  Say, confirm that it's soda.  Otherwise, I'll be wondering what the hell.  I'll give you a receipt for it.  You'll get it back in about a week or so.

MR. PORCO:  Sure.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Please sign right there.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  All it is is you're saying you gave me the tee shirt so you can get it back.  I don't know if it has major value, but -- if you even want it back.  Sir, what year are you in now up there?

MR. PORCO:  Junior.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Junior?  What's your middle initial, Chris?

MR. PORCO:  S.  Steven.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Chuckie, Roger needs to see you. 

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Okay. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Chris, do you have -- I asked you what you did in your free time.  Do you have any hobbies, anything else you do?

MR. PORCO:  Read.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay. 

MR. PORCO:  Watch a lot of movies at college.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Do you do anything -- you play cards, you gamble, or anything like that?

MR. PORCO:  I don't gamble.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  You don't gamble at all?

MR. PORCO:  Nope.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  No?  Okay. 

MR. PORCO:  My friends do, but --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  No gambling? 

MR. PORCO:  No.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Do you have any other debts?

MR. PORCO:  No.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  So the only debts you're telling us about are the ones that you spoke of over here?  You got a car loan?

MR. PORCO:  Credit card.  That's about it.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  What was -- had you taken out any loans recently other than what you talked about online there?

MR. PORCO:  No.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Nothing at all?

MR. PORCO:  No.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  Nothing for a larger amount of money?

MR. PORCO:  No.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  I had some type of information that there was -- there was a loan for around 30 some odd thousand dollars?

MR. PORCO:  That would have been this one.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Oh, okay.  That's the one?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah, that they -- that he sent back and --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  All right. 

MR. PORCO:  -- got the other one instead. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  So, nobody received any money for that?


MR. PORCO:  The school received it and was asked to send it back, so they did.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  You think they did?

MR. PORCO:  Well, I'm pretty sure they did, yeah.  I don't know.  I mean, I haven't checked, but I assume they would.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  All right.  All right.  Do you -- do you know if your family had any -- well, I asked you about securities, I asked you about, you know, any types of cash?. Anybody in your family have amounts of money?

MR. PORCO:  No.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Nobody?

MR. PORCO:  Like they're rich?

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Grandparents, uncles, aunts?

MR. PORCO:  My grandmother has money, but nothing substantial, I don't think.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Nothing substantial? 

MR. PORCO:  No.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  No?  Is there any life insurance?

MR. PORCO:  For who?

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Anybody?


MR. PORCO:  I know my parents have it.  I have no idea how much.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Yeah, okay.

MR. PORCO:  I mean, I know they have it.  I know my Dad is insured more than my mother.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay. 

MR. PORCO:  My brother has some with the Navy.  Beyond that, no.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  That's about it?  You don't have any for yourself or anything?

MR. PORCO:  No.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Do you know how much your Dad's was?

MR. PORCO:  No idea.  I would assume -- I don't know.                         

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Do you think your Mom may have some too?

MR. PORCO:  I know she does have some.  They talked about it before, and I know they do have it,

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay. 

MR. PORCO:  I know she had less than my father because she makes less money.  I don't know how much she has.  I don't know the exact numbers.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  Okay.  And these are, again, questions that I have to ask.

MR. PORCO:  Yeah, that's fine.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Right.  And you don't gamble at all?

MR. PORCO:  No.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  You don't have any other debts around, nothing at all --

MR. PORCO:  No.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  -- that you're aware of?  Did your brother?

MR. PORCO:  No.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  That you know of? 

MR. PORCO:  He doesn't spend money.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  He doesn't spend money.  I take it from talking to you --

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible four words) I spend money, he doesn't.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I guess I have to say that, you know, was he like the favorite son or something?

MR. PORCO:  No.  No, no, no.  He just was a lot --


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:   More conservative, maybe? 

MR. PORCO:  I guess.  He was just always -- he's weird in his own ways.  He's frugal and stuff.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Yeah, tight with a buck?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.  He's not cheap.  He's just frugal.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Yeah.  And you're kind of --

MR. PORCO:  I spend money.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  You like to go out and have fun?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah, you know, go buy stupid stuff occasionally.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  Were there issues about that?

MR. PORCO:  No.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  With your parents?

MR. PORCO:  They commented before, you know.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Yeah, yeah.

MR. PORCO:  Don't spend money stupidly.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Right.

MR. PORCO:  Excuse me.  Nothing like -- that wasn't a problem.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  M-m h-m-m.  Okay.  It wasn't a problem, but there again, you're quite a bit different than your brother?

MR. PORCO:  Yes, very much so.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  To the point where it must have been a little heavier for you in the house with getting criticized than it was your brother, wasn't it?

MR. PORCO:  He got criticized for stuff.  It was just different stuff.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Like what?

MR. PORCO:  He would get in arguments with my parents more about stupid things.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  What's --

MR. PORCO:  My parents and I get into arguments with him hardly ever.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  What's stupid, do you think?

MR. PORCO:  Not going to church, stuff like that.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Oh, that was an argument?


MR. PORCO:  I rarely ever got in a -- you know, loud arguments with them.  He used to all the time when he was in high school.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Right.  Right.

MR. PORCO:  He's got a decent temper, but nothing bad. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Does he?

MR. PORCO:  I do too, but I have more of a longer rope.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  But it sounds like his

-- his disciplining was more of a -- a routine nature?  I mean, would you get in trouble for like --

MR. PORCO:  As a family, we got along very well.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  -- wow, I spent too much money or something or?

MR. PORCO:  No, nothing like that.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay. 

MR. PORCO:  For the most part, you know, it's my business.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Was it?  You think so?  That's how it was regarded?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah, for the most part.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  But --


MR. PORCO:  They had said comments before, you know, you should watch your money more and --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Right.

MR. PORCO:  -- not buy stupid things.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Yeah.  Well, you know what?  I guess I've heard that crap before too, you know?  I guess we all have, but your brother seems to be quite a bit different than you?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Right.  Right.  And I was up there that one night.  I don't know if you remember me being there when the house -- when your Dad called about the house being broken into?

MR. PORCO:  You or else Arduini.  I mean, I don't know.  I mean, I'm sure --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  It was -- maybe you weren't there at the time.  Maybe you were out for the evening, home for the holiday maybe, last Thanksgiving?

MR. PORCO:  I don't know.  One of them was on Thanksgiving night.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Yes.  I think that's when I was over there, I think.

MR. PORCO:  I'm not sure.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  And supposedly, somebody had crawled through the front window?

MR. PORCO:  It happened both at the same time.  Same thing.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Right.  Right.  And you know, the strange thing about that whole thing was that there was snow on the ground.  Remember that was that real bitch of a winter?

MR. PORCO:  M-m h-m-m. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Right?  It snowed the whole time, and the front window was said to have been -- well, the screen was cut, I guess.

MR. PORCO:  M-m h-m-m. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  And then the front window was left open a little bit.

MR. PORCO:  M-m h-m-m. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  But I couldn't find friggin' footprints in the snow outside the house.  I couldn't understand that.  You know, I mean, if it's snowing and somebody comes from the outside of the house, they've got to leave prints, right?


MR. PORCO:  Hadn't it snowed that day?  I don't remember, but I remember us talking about this at the time.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Yeah, but I -- well, I don't remember that.  I can't tell you, but I do know that it was a recent -- it was like they realized it that day.

MR. PORCO:  M-m h-m-m. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  That something had happened, right, and -- and I think if it had, it was just a dusting.

MR. PORCO:  M-m h-m-m. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Right, and they had all this stuff around maybe, but I didn't have anything fresh and I just -- and I couldn't -- couldn't understand that, you know?

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  You hungry?  I'm starved.  We have pizza up front.

MR. PORCO:  I'm fine.  Thank you.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  You want a slice of pizza?

MR. PORCO:  No, thanks.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  How can you decline free food?  Anything to drink besides water, or is the water good?

MR. PORCO:  I'm good for now.


DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  You sure?

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  When was the last time you ate something?

MR. PORCO:  I would say probably eight o'clock.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I really -- I wish you'd eat something because I don't want to see you get all screwed up.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  You said -- is your stomach still a mess from the night before?

MR. PORCO:  Kind of, yeah.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  You want a slice or --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  You've still got to get something down.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:   It's up to you.  We're not in a hurry (inaudible five words.)  We don't want to force you to do anything you don't want to do.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  No, no, but, you know, you got something plain for him?

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Well, I mean, we got pizza.  I don't even know what it is.

MR. PORCO:  No, I don't want that, come on.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  You sure?


MR. PORCO:  I'll have something plain later like a bagel or something. 

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Okay.  

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I wish I had known that.  I could have gotten it down there at Dunkin' Donuts or something for Pete's sake.  There's no other -- I mean, obviously, that was your uncle that was in the hospital, right?  He's out in Rochester?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Yeah, they brought you down?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  Is there any other relatives?  You've got another relative that's --

MR. PORCO:  There's a lot of relatives.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  What, lawyer, I guess? 

MR. PORCO:  He's not a relative.  He's my Dad's good friend.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay. 

MR. PORCO:  His name is John.  They went to law school together.  (Inaudible statement.) 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Yeah. 


MR. PORCO:  He's the guy that has the beard.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Yes.  Now, what is your uncle?  Is he a lawyer?

MR. PORCO:  He's a retired school teacher.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Oh, okay.

MR. PORCO:  Administrator.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  That's the guy that was out in Rochester?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  Is there anybody else in the family that's around?

MR. PORCO:  Now?

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Yeah.

MR. PORCO:  My cousins are coming like now, and you know.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay. 

MR. PORCO:  I would assume my grandmother is going to come.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Where does she live?

MR. PORCO:  Maryland.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Your grandmother, what's her name?

MR. PORCO:  Nanny, but her name is -- my God.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Having a tough time remembering, huh?

MR. PORCO:  I always call her Nanny. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Which side --

MR. PORCO:  Jane Whalen. 

MR. PORCO:  She's on my father's side.  She's remarried.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Father's mother?

MR. PORCO:  Yes.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  And where did you say she lives?

MR. PORCO:  Maryland, near Croston (phonetic).

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  Now, any other grandparents alive?

MR. PORCO:  That's it.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  You said she might have a little bit of money?

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Sure.  Well, okay.  All right.  Let me ask you this question.  Who of the people, like friends from high school that you still talk to or might have been over the house at some point or anybody at all?


(Detective Rudolph is on the phone.)

MR. PORCO:  I don't know.  I don't  (inaudible two words) anymore.  The only one I talk to is Carter Thomas.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Where is he?

MR. PORCO:  Bowdoin.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Where is he?

MR. PORCO:  Bowdoin in Maine.  In college.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  And how do you know him, from BC?

MR. PORCO:  From high school, yeah.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  That was the hospital.  She's semi-conscious.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  I'm sorry.  What was his name again?

MR. PORCO:  Carter Thomas.  He's (inaudible two words) since -- until like -- I think he got back (inaudible two words.)

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  So he's going to college in Maine?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  But he grew up in BC?  Where does he -- where does he live down here in town?


MR. PORCO:  Lexford.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  Is his family still there?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  Any other friends?

MR. PORCO:  I mean, a lot of kids have, you know, seen me enter the garage code and -- you know, seen me take the hide-a-key out and stuff.  I mean --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Sure.

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible four words) after school and stuff.  I don't have anyone I talk to anymore, I mean.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  In recent years.

MR. PORCO:  I don't really know.  There's probably plenty of people who knew my garage code.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Including your girlfriend, right?

MR. PORCO:  I don't think she knows that, actually.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Has she ever been over?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah, she's been over.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Has she?

MR. PORCO:  Like twice maybe, three times.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay. 

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  We were just going in there to talk to her.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  All right.  So, you don't know of any -- see, I'm trying to find a motive here.

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  You understand that?

MR. PORCO:  Oh, yeah. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  That's why I asked you about life insurance.

MR. PORCO:  Yup..

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Your Dad may have something?

MR. PORCO:  I know they both do.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  You know where -- where they kept it?

MR. PORCO:  I don't know.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Did they have a safe deposit box or anything like that?


MR. PORCO:  They do have one, yeah, at Trustco.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  At Trustco, safe deposit box?

MR. PORCO:  Yup..  I'm not sure what's in there.  I put savings bonds in there and crap.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  The one in town here?

MR. PORCO:  Yup.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Where is it, the one on Delaware Avenue? 

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.  Across from Delaware Plaza.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Do you -- do you have an account there?

MR. PORCO:  No.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Your Dad?

MR. PORCO:  They both do.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay. 

MR. PORCO:  I know they have a joint account.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Is that where they do all their banking?

MR. PORCO:  They bank at SEFCU also.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Oh, that's right.  Your mother did the teacher thing, right?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  But this is -- this is where the safe deposit box would be?

MR. PORCO:  Yes.  I don't know if they have other ones.  That's all I know of.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  All right.  Does your father own any stocks or anything like that?

MR. PORCO:  If they do, it's minimal. not real big.  I don't know.  I don't have the impression that they have anything substantial.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  So there wasn't any really large amounts of money going on here?

MR. PORCO:  No.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well, was he worth more dead than alive to put it bluntly, I guess?

MR. PORCO:  I don't know.  He was making pretty decent money.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I thought he was.

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.  I don't know how much life insurance was.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Yeah.

MR. PORCO:  But I'm assuming it was about three or $400,000, probably.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Right.

MR. PORCO:  I don't know.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay. 

MR. PORCO:  My mother would know.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I suppose she would, yeah.  Of course, she might have had some -- well, she does.  She probably has it with the Teacher's Union, right?

MR. PORCO:  Life insurance?

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Life insurance?

MR. PORCO:  I don't know what -- I don't know what company they use for their stuff.  I know she had some too.  (Inaudible statement.)

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  You don't know what company he used? 

MR. PORCO:  I have no idea.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay. 

MR. PORCO:  I know because a guy tried to come and sell a bunch of mutual this summer, and he had said he already had life insurance.  I don't know if that's actually (inaudible three words.)


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well, look -- I mean, it's a terrible thing that's happened.  Who would you guess?

MR. PORCO:  I have absolutely no idea. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I mean, something has got to pop into your head a little bit?

MR. PORCO:  No.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  Didn't you have a neighbor guy there?  The kid that was -- you know, that you --

MR. PORCO:  Yeah, but he's not like that, I don't think.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  But somebody from the outside would have to have a huge motive, you know --

MR. PORCO:  I think, yeah.  I don't know.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well, you don't -- you don't do shit like that.  In Delmar, you break into houses when they're not home, right?

MR. PORCO:  I was talking to my uncle in the car.  We have relatives in the Mafia, I guess you'd call it. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Relatives in the Mafia?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.  You're talking about that, but I don't think that's (inaudible two words.) 


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  On what side of the family is that?

MR. PORCO:  Father's.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Where -- where would they be?

MR. PORCO:  I think most of them are dead. One of them is incarcerated right now.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  On your father's side?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.  An uncle.  His name is Frank Porco.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Frank?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Porco? 

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.  We know he was involved.  That whole -- that whole part of the family was.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Where did he live?

MR. PORCO:  New York City.  I don't think there's any connection at all.  I just heard him talking about it. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  But you think he's incarcerated right now?

MR. PORCO:  I know he is.  He was jailed a year ago, I think.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  Had he ever been to the house?

MR. PORCO:  I have no idea.  I don't think so.  (Inaudible statement.)

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well --

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Christ, go to jail when you're 85 years old.

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  Anybody else you can think of that's been in the house?

MR. PORCO:  No, not to my knowledge.  (Indecipherable statement.)

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  Anybody else in the family that you haven't told me about?  I mean, we've got your -- your uncle on your father's side, right?

MR. PORCO:  Yes.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  And the friend he went to college with.  Where's your mother's relatives?

MR. PORCO:  They're the ones that are mostly here.  My mother's brother is the guy who drove me home, my Uncle John.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  Is there any other ones?

MR. PORCO:  That's her only brother.  He has a wife and three kids.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  Are they young?

MR. PORCO:  No.  The wife is the same age as him, 55 or six, something.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  No, the kids, I meant. 

MR. PORCO:  They're all married.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Oh, are they?

MR. PORCO:  M-m h-m-m. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Yeah, okay.  On your father's side?

MR. PORCO:  He has a brother and a sister.  Sister lives in Vermont.  Brother is in Maryland near my grandmother.  They're both married.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  Sister, married in Vermont?

MR. PORCO:  Yes.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  And who else?

MR. PORCO:  Brother, his brother is married, lives in Maryland, Annapolis.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  What's his name?

MR. PORCO:  Steve.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  Where did you say he lived, do you know?

MR. PORCO:  Annapolis, Maryland.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  Anybody else in the family living here?

MR. PORCO:  Well, not really close by, but my mother's cousin, he's at the hospital, a priest.  Father David Noone.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  And that's your mother's cousin?

MR. PORCO:  Yes.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Father David. 

MR. PORCO:  N-o-o-n-e.  He's the pastor of St. Frances DeSales in Loudonville.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  Did you get something to eat?

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  No, they had to order it because a certain Lieutenant busted off before anybody else could --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Are you kidding me?

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  No, so they ordered more pizza.  So, I mean, you might be hungry by the time the other ones come out.  What's your middle initial again?  

MR. PORCO:  S. 


DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  And your date of birth?

MR. PORCO:  7/09/83.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Maybe he's got a Goddamn tapeworm. 

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  It's terrible.  I'm going to do that sample now that we were talking about, your saliva.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  No, I did it.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Oh, you did it already?  Oh, we're good then.  Oh, all right.  It wasn't ah -- initial it then.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well, it's got to be taped.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Okay.  Let's initial it and -- okay, now you know you already did it. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  (Inaudible statement.)  Oh, would you sign this?  Just have him

-- Chuck, I've got to get this.  Sign it right there.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  That's yours.  Sign it if you want to.  You sure you don't want something to drink or anything?

MR. PORCO:  I'm fine, thank you.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Go to the bathroom?


MR. PORCO:  No, thanks.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  How old is your dog?

MR. PORCO:  11.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Yeah.  She's looking old.

MR. PORCO:  It's a he, but --

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Is it?  Yeah.  Good looking dog. 

MR. PORCO:  Yeah, he's good.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  I've got two of them at home.  Two labs.  So now, where is your brother going to stay?

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  M-m h-m-m.  Which is your house key? 

MR. PORCO:  That one there.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  This one?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Do you have your keys to your Jeep?

MR. PORCO:  The black one. 

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  How much time -- do you think you're going to end up missing school?


MR. PORCO:  Probably.  We have vacation next week.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  A whole week?

MR. PORCO:  Wednesday through Friday.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Uh-huh. 

MR. PORCO:  I'll go (inaudible two word) Tuesday.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Come home Tuesday?  Tuesday night?  What kind of religion are you guys?

MR. PORCO:  Catholic.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Catholic?  You go to church much?

MR. PORCO:  I don't personally.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  No?  Both your parents do?

MR. PORCO:  My mother goes every day.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Really?

MR. PORCO:  Father goes once a week.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Wow.  Is your cell phone working now? 

MR. PORCO:  No.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  No?  How come? 

MR. PORCO:  Well, now it's because (inaudible five words.)


DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  M-m h-m-m.  When was the last time it worked?

MR. PORCO:  Two weeks ago.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  M-m h-m-m.  Who do you have your plan through?

MR. PORCO:  Sprint.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Is it in your father's name or your name?

MR. PORCO:  Mine.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  I've got to get you out of here so I get your brother.  I don&a, mp;#, 39;, ;t know if we should get your brother from the airport or --

MR. PORCO:  My uncle is picking him up there, I think..

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  What's that?

MR. PORCO:  My uncle is picking him up there, I think. 

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Your parents get along all right with each other?

MR. PORCO:  Oh, yeah.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  What about with your brother?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.


DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Everybody gets along?  There's like no counseling going on or anything?

MR. PORCO:  Gone before.  We were like ten.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  You guys did?  Both you and your brother or what?

MR. PORCO:  The whole family, yeah.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Yeah. 

MR. PORCO:  Him and I used to fight when were really young.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Who?

MR. PORCO:  My brother and I.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Yeah.  What about with you guys and your parents?

MR. PORCO:  What do you mean?

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  As far as getting along back then with your parents?

MR. PORCO:  Who?

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Parents have a hard

time handling you?

MR. PORCO:  I don't know --

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  I mean --

MR. PORCO:  We used to physically fight a lot, my brother and I.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Yeah.

MR. PORCO:  When we were like ten or eleven.


DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Right.

MR. PORCO:  They dealt with it.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  M-m h-m-m. 

MR. PORCO:  We'd always get in fights.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Well, you've got to have patience when you're a parent.

MR. PORCO:  I'm sure.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Who -- who did you say you talked to online today with that instant message stuff?

MR. PORCO:  A lot of people, but my girlfriend.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  What's your name?

MR. PORCO:  J-e-f-f-s-a (inaudible three words.)

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  What does that stand for?

MR. PORCO:  In the sixth grade, my friend Jeff, Jeff's a loser (inaudible two words).

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  That was a buddy of yours in sixth grade?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Where's he now?


MR. PORCO:  I have talked to him (inaudible two words).

DETECTIVE RINALDI:  What kind of pizza do you want?

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  That's yours.  (Inaudible statement.)  No, have some.

MR. PORCO:  No, really.  I --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  No?

MR. PORCO:  No.

DETECTIVE RINALDI:  All right.  Well, I know these guys haven't eaten, so.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  We'll take them up.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Yeah.  Just leave him there one slice, just in case he changes his mind. 

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  We're not shy.  We're like piranhas.

DETECTIVE RINALDI:  That's yours or?

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  I'm just gonna leave that there.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  If you want some, there will be more later.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Chris, is there anything more -- you want a drink out there do you think?


OFFICER:  I'll get some soda from the (inaudible one word.)

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  All right, thanks. You didn't hear from the hospital?

MR. PORCO:  H-m-m?

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  No.  I was talking to my partner.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  No, not yet.  Not yet. 

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  He's been with her.  I don't know ‑‑

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Right.  Right, he's supposed to be calling us back here pretty quick.  Let's see.  I asked you about the ROTC, right?

MR. PORCO:  What do you mean?

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  And that you left because of bad grades?

MR. PORCO:  Yup.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  All right.  Was there any other problems?  Any at all?

MR. PORCO:  Nope.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  (Inaudible statement.) 

MR. PORCO:  Too much partying.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Too much partying?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.


DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Do you drink much?

MR. PORCO:  Do I?

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Yeah.

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Had it become an issue with your parents at all?

MR. PORCO:  No, never.  I think we talked about it a few months ago.  I used to drink in high school occasionally, about once a week.  They never knew until we talked about it.  I mean, you take your time (inaudible two words.)  (Inaudible statement.)

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  What do you drink?

MR. PORCO:  Cheap beer.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Do you?

MR. PORCO:  Mostly, yeah.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  What kind of beer?

MR. PORCO:  Genny Light.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Oh, my God.  I've got to look in the law.  There might be a law for that for drinking that kind of stuff.  That's pretty bad.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Did you tell me that nobody in your family really had much money?


MR. PORCO:  Not really.  My parents have a good combined income. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well --

MR. PORCO:  But they don't have a stockpile of cash sitting around or anything.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Any other relatives give you money?

MR. PORCO:  Substantial amount?

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well, yeah.  Yeah.

MR. PORCO:  No.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Now, your grandparents, are they in the picture at all?

MR. PORCO:  A living grandmother, and she's remarried.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  M-m h-m-m. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Did you have one that passed away?

MR. PORCO:  My mother's parents passed away when she was 20 or something.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  So you've got -- left any money when she passed away?

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Any kind of inheritance?

MR. PORCO:  I'm sure she got something.  I think it was sort of (inaudible five words.)


DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  But you kids didn't get any for education or anything?

MR. PORCO:  No.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  No?  Is there anything pending?  Like what about with your grandmother now?  Does she have anything planned for you, do you know, like trusts or anything like that if she passes?

MR. PORCO:  I know the money goes to children and grandchildren.  I don't know how it's disbursed or any amounts or anything.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well, what about --

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Is she wealthy?

MR. PORCO:  She has a net worth of

probably --

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  What is she, just average American --

MR. PORCO:  No.  She has a -- I mean, she has a net worth of probably $700,000, maybe.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Oh.

MR. PORCO:  Something like that.  Around there, maybe.  She lives on the interest and pension from her first husband.


DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Now, what about -- do you know what your parents have?

MR. PORCO:  In what?

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Insurance for something like this?

MR. PORCO:  I know they have life insurance.  We talked about it before.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  You did?  What did they have to say?

MR. PORCO:  Well, a guy came around in the summer and tried to sell them life insurance to them and my Dad said, I already have it.  He talked about getting a new policy.  I never (inaudible three words.)

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  How much was everybody covered for, do you know?

MR. PORCO:  I don't know.  My Dad more than my mother.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Yeah.

MR. PORCO:  I don't know.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  They never told you?

MR. PORCO:  Never exact amount, but I could guess.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Well, what would you think?


MR. PORCO:  I guess my Dad would be around $500,000 at least, $300,000, around there.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  M-m h-m-m. 

MR. PORCO:  I don't exactly know.  My Mom would be less.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Who are the beneficiaries, do you know?

MR. PORCO:  I don't know.  I assume my Godparents probably.  I don't know.  I'm sure my brother and I would get money, if that's what you're getting at.  I'm sure we would.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well, you said ROTC, that you ‑‑ you were -- you left it because of bad grades?

MR. PORCO:  M-m h-m-m. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  It didn't have anything to do with burning a couch, did it?

MR. PORCO:  No.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  They said you were kicked out for disciplinary reasons.

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Yeah, but why didn't you tell me that?

MR. PORCO:  It was a separate incident.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well, I asked you about ROTC and that was a direct result of getting dismissed from ROTC.

MR. PORCO:  Not to my knowledge.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  That was my understanding.

MR. PORCO:  Not to my knowledge, it wasn't.  To my knowledge, they already knew about that. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  M-m h-m-m. 

MR. PORCO:  My Dad was pissed that night I was there.  It was a stupid thing to do.  It was a college thing, and I didn't think they knew about it.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  According to them, they do.

MR. PORCO:  News to me.  I didn't know that.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  That was -- that was the basis for this ROTC thing.

MR. PORCO:  Normally if you're thrown out, you have what's called a PRD.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  What does that mean?

MR. PORCO:  PRD Board.  It's a trial kind of thing.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  M-m h-m-m. 


MR. PORCO:  You do something wrong, they -- you come in and they talk about it and they decide what they do about it.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  M-m h-m-m. 

MR. PORCO:  I never had one.  (Inaudible five words) had one.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Right.

MR. PORCO:  But I didn't know if that was related.  I guess maybe (inaudible three words) it is, but they never mentioned to me anything about that.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well, burning a couch would sort of indicate that there was some action that would that would count against you, wouldn't it?

MR. PORCO:  No.  I never got in trouble for that.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Why would you burn a couch?

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  How could you not?

MR. PORCO:  Well, it was in the middle of a snow covered --

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Were you drinking?  Let me guess, you were drinking?


MR. PORCO:  Actually, I was sober.  Yeah, it was the last night of school before we left for winter break.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  M-m h-m-m. 

MR. PORCO:  And there was a couch in the middle of the hill, and a couple guys went out my window -- my window was overlooking it -- where my room is.  Two of my friends went out there and dumped a (inaudible four words) something like that on it and lit it.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Really?  That will do it, huh?

MR. PORCO:  Yes.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Now, where did that happen?

MR. PORCO:  Where?

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  M-m-m.

MR. PORCO:  On the campus.  It would be a hill overlooking my dorm last year.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well, I don't know why you wouldn't mention that it to me.  I mean --


MR. PORCO:  Well, to my knowledge, it didn't have any result.  It didn't have any problem.  That was unrelated to me leave ROTC at all, to my knowledge.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Did your parents find out about it?

MR. PORCO:  Not to my knowledge, no.  I mean, I was never disciplined for it at all.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Oh, really?

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  What would your parents say?

MR. PORCO:  I'm sure they would be upset.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I would imagine, right?

MR. PORCO:  They definitely would be upset.  I know -- it was a -- people do stupid things in college.  I know it was bad, but --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well, I don't deny that.  But my understanding was that was the reason for this ROTC dismissing.

MR. PORCO:  To my knowledge, that had nothing to do with it.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well, you should have known what the reason was.

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.  It was poor grades.  I don't know who you spoke to.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well --


MR. PORCO:  But generally, if there is a disciplinary problem, you have a -- you're put in front of a PRD.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  We get a lot information, you know what I mean?  It happens, you know?

MR. PORCO:  Yup.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Also under the understanding that you may have been in line or had or will inherit quite a bit of money.

MR. PORCO:  No.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  It's either that or ‑‑ that's the rumor out there, you know?  Is that possible?

MR. PORCO:  No.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Have you told people that you might be inheriting money?

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  To impress somebody?

MR. PORCO:  Oh, yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Like how much?

MR. PORCO:  Again, that was a long time ago that I told them that.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  When was that?

MR. PORCO:  Six, seven months ago, probably.


DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  M-m h-m-m.  How much did you tell them you were going --

MR. PORCO:  A couple of million.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  What was the reason for that?

MR. PORCO:  Just bored, I guess.  I don't know.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Did you try to have a tendency to make things up some things for attention or what?

MR. PORCO:  Not often, no.  Not really sure why I said that.  I honestly don't know.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well, I think you must have said it more than once.

MR. PORCO:  I told a lot of people.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Maybe so.  I don't know, you know?  I mean, so what you're telling me it was complete bull.  There wasn't anything to it, but other than you pumping it up --

MR. PORCO:  M-m h-m-m. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  -- right?  Is that what you're saying?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Yeah.  Yeah.  Hold on a minute.  On the phone.)


(Lieutenant Berben enters the room.)

OFFICER:  How you doing? 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Got water?  All set?

MR. PORCO:  Thank you.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  All right.  Your brother is going to be in town pretty soon.  Excuse me.  All right.  Friday, you were sleeping at the dorm, right?  Thursday night to Friday morning?

MR. PORCO:  Yes.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  At the dorm room.  And what time did you get up?

MR. PORCO:  Around ten.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  10 a.m.?

MR. PORCO:  Around there.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  And what did you do when you got up?

MR. PORCO:  Got some food on campus.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  And that was what, 11 o'clock or 10:30?

MR. PORCO:  About 10:30, probably.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  10:30 you got food. 


MR. PORCO:  Right after I got the food, (inaudible four to five words).

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  In your dorm?

MR. PORCO:  In my dorm.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Was anybody with you?

MR. PORCO:  People are always around.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  So you watched a movie in your dorm room?

MR. PORCO:  I don't know exactly what I did.  I was in my dorm.  I was either playing Nintendo or watching TV or watching a movie.  I'm not sure.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  In dorm for how long?

MR. PORCO:  Until I left.  I took a shower and I left.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  In dorm until what time then?  You got 10:30 when you got food in the campus.

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.  Trying to think -- I left around -- probably around one, I would think.  I don't remember exactly what time I got to Sarah's house.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Was your roommate there still or does he --

MR. PORCO:  No.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Does he ever go home?

MR. PORCO:  No.  No.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  In the dorm --

MR. PORCO:  Just holidays and stuff.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  So, he --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  1 p.m.?

MR. PORCO:  Around there.  I'm not sure when I got to Sarah's house, but --

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Does he know when you left?  Did you say goodbye to him or anything?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah, actually.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Do you have the roommate's name?

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I think I got it before.  What was his name again?

MR. PORCO:  Matt -- I'll give it to you.  Matt Ambrosio. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  Ambrosio.  B-r --

MR. PORCO:  -- o-s-i-o, I think. 

B-r-o-s-i-o.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  S-i-o.  Okay.  Was he in and out?

MR. PORCO:  He had a class on Friday morning, I think.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  So you came down.  You drove to -- did you meet anybody before you left?

MR. PORCO:  No.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Did you get gas?

MR. PORCO:  Yes.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Where?

MR. PORCO:  Mobil station near my school.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Near your school?  Is there a certain name to the Mobil station or what road it's on?

MR. PORCO:  It's on 15.  I either got it there or at the first rest stop on the Thruway.  I don't know which one.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Well, take a second.  Think about which one you got it at.  It's important.  You've got to make sure you account for each step.

MR. PORCO:  I understand.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  It's not like you stopped at a dozen gas stations and --

MR. PORCO:  I know, right.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  -- that's an easy one to remember.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  So --

MR. PORCO:  I think it was at the  Mobil on 15 in Rochester.  It's about two miles from the school.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  About what time do you think?

MR. PORCO:  Sometime after that.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  After?

MR. PORCO:  1:30.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  What if I say around 1:30?

MR. PORCO:  Okay. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay?

MR. PORCO:  I -- you know, I don't have a watch.  I don't know the time.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  All right.  Around 1:30 p.m.

MR. PORCO:  I told Sarah I was going to leave around 11, but that didn't happen.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Got gas at -- where is it?

MR. PORCO:  It's on Route 15, the Mobil station.


DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Did you buy anything else besides gas?

MR. PORCO:  No.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Did you use your card?

MR. PORCO:  Yes.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  And then, what, you drove to?

MR. PORCO:  Straight to her house.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Where did you go from the gas station?

MR. PORCO:  390 south.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  To what -- what exit is it that you --

MR. PORCO:  The Thruway is -- maybe it's 11, I think.  I'm not sure.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Exit on the Thruway?

MR. PORCO:  No.  390 south.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Okay.  But you get on what exit on the Thruway?

MR. PORCO:  46.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Okay. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  All right.  Then you got on the Thruway at 46?

MR. PORCO:  Yes.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Drove to Albany?


MR. PORCO:  Yes.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  You didn't see anybody before you got on the Thruway then?

MR. PORCO:  No.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Did you stop at a rest stop or anything like that on the way down or did you drive right through?

MR. PORCO:  Normally, I just drive through.  I drove through.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Did you come directly to Bethlehem?

MR. PORCO:  Yes.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  What time do you think you arrived and where did you go?

MR. PORCO:  Three and a half hours after that I left.  Probably around -- it was around five or 5:30 that I got there.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  At -- what's her name's house?

MR. PORCO:  Sarah.  Sarah Fischer's house.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  About 5:30?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Went to Sarah's house?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Drove directly to Sarah's house?

MR. PORCO:  Yup.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  How long were you at Sarah's house?  Did you stay there or did you go out?

MR. PORCO:  Um, I think we went to eat -- where did we go to eat?  The  Friday's with her and her sister, about 40 minutes after I got there.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  So between six and 6:30?

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  With Sarah, and who else?

MR. PORCO:  Her sister.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Her sister's name again?

MR. PORCO:  I think it's Kate.  Her last name I (inaudible two words).

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Where did you go, Friday's?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah, in the plaza in Delmar.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  What time did you leave there?

MR. PORCO:  45 minutes after that.  We sat down right away.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  You're talking about 6:40, 6:30?

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Well, you got there between six and 6:30.

MR. PORCO:  Probably about 7:30.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Around 7:30.  Well, I have you arriving in Bethlehem at about 5:30.

MR. PORCO:  Right. 

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  He said about 45 minutes -- he was there --

MR. PORCO:  We hung around the house for a little while and then went out.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  He went out at Friday's.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay, at -- what did you say, seven --

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  7:30.  He's asking you.

MR. PORCO:  I don't know the exact time is.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  Had dinner?

MR. PORCO:  We had like an appetizer each.  (Inaudible statement.)

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  How was it paid for?

MR. PORCO:  Cash.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Whose cash?


MR. PORCO:  We all paid for each thing.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Everybody chipped in?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Drinks, appetizers?

MR. PORCO:  I had an iced tea and mozzarella sticks.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  After Friday's -- how long were you at Friday's?

MR. PORCO:  About 45 minutes to an hour at the most.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  So we're talking 8:30 now?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah, around then, probably.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Where, to Friday's?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.  Well, between seven

and --

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  He said about 7:30.

MR. PORCO:  7:30 or so, yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  You were done about 7:30?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  All right.  What time do you think you got there then?

MR. PORCO:  Around, 6, 6:30.


DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  He said between six and 6:30 he arrived.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  All right.  6:30, about.  Okay, so about at 7:30?

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  They left.

MR. PORCO:  Yeah, around then.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  And where did you go to?

MR. PORCO:  We stopped at Hollywood Video and went back.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  In Price Chopper Plaza?

MR. PORCO:  (Response not heard.)

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  And where did you go from there?

MR. PORCO:  Back to her house.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  So what time do you figure you got back to her house if you left your restaurant around 7:30, stopped and grabbed a video, 8:15, 8:30?

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  You were at the video joint at maybe 7:45?  Don't let me put words in your mouth.

MR. PORCO:  No.  I honestly don't know the exact time.


DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Well, we're not looking for exact time.  I mean, nobody can.  Just give a ballpark.

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Okay. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  Okay, from there, then went back to?

MR. PORCO:  Sarah's house.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Went back to Sarah's home.  Did what?

MR. PORCO:  Sat around, watched the movie.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  What was the movie?

MR. PORCO:  Supersize Me.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Supersize Me?  Did you stay in from that point?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.  I don't leave her house till I left the next day.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Okay.  What time did you leave the next day?

MR. PORCO:  About 3:15.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Her parents there?

MR. PORCO:  Most of the time.  They were gone for like an hour the next day in the morning. 


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  I mean, this was nothing new.  You stayed overnight at her house before, right?

MR. PORCO:  No, actually. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Oh.

MR. PORCO:  Like I didn't sleep in her bed or anything.  I slept on the couch in the basement. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.

MR. PORCO:  She sleeps in her room.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  All right.  But she's your girlfriend, right?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  You stayed at the house until -- what did you say?  What time the next day?

MR. PORCO:  3:15.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Left and then went where?

MR. PORCO:  Got gas and went back.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  And where did you get gas?

MR. PORCO:  I can't remember.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Well, try to think.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well, you went to your parents' house, right?

MR. PORCO:  Yes.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  That's what you told me before.

MR. PORCO:  Yes.  (Inaudible statement.)  That took about ten minutes, if that.  Driving there and --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Found no one home, right?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  What, left --

MR. PORCO:  Gave my dog a bone. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  Dog --

MR. PORCO:  I checked to see if there was a car in the garage.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Left at 3:15.  What, three --

MR. PORCO:  3:25, probably.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  All right.  Then you, what, got gas?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Did you remember where you got gas? 


MR. PORCO:  I think --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I mean, did you use your card again?  

MR. PORCO:  I think I got gas on Western Ave. Mobil station.  Do you know where Sutter's is?

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  M-m h-m-m.  Yeah.

MR. PORCO:  A little bit far down.  Far down towards Crossgate's and Sutter's, and I got on the Thruway from there.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  And did you go straight back to school or any rest stops?

MR. PORCO:  Straight back.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  So, what time do you think you got back to school?

MR. PORCO:  Seven.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Where did you say you got gas?  At what, 3 --

MR. PORCO:  40.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  And then got on the Thruway?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  And whereabouts did you do that?


MR. PORCO:  24.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Exit 24?

MR. PORCO:  Yup.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  That had to be, what, close to four o'clock?

MR. PORCO:  Around that, probably.  Yeah, a little before four.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Maybe 3:50?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay. 

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  And you got to school you said around seven?

MR. PORCO:  Yes.  By 7:15.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Got back to college.  Okay. 

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Was your roommate there?

MR. PORCO:  I don't remember, but right when you walk in, I saw a bunch of people when I walked in.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  What are their names?

MR. PORCO:  Um, I'm gotta give you a ton of names, um -- I'm trying to -- it's weird, because people will hang out in that (inaudible three words) all the time.


DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  M-m h-m-m. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  What time do you think you got back there?

MR. PORCO:  About 7:15 or so, 7, 7:15.  I got gas before I parked, too.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Oh, okay.

MR. PORCO:  Because it was totally empty.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  At the same place?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.  The place near school where I got it before.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  The Mobil station again near school?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  That's right after the 7:15 thing?

MR. PORCO:  That's right before when I got back to school.  On the way back to school, I passed the station when I left the school and I stopped and filled it up.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Oh.  Before you even arrived?

MR. PORCO:  Yes.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  You got gas before you on the Thruway and you needed gas --


DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Just before -- as soon as he got of the Thruway, he got gas on his way back to school.

MR. PORCO:  It takes a full tank to get from Albany to Rochester.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  What exit was that that you got off of?

MR. PORCO:  46.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Exit 46.  Okay.  So, that may be -- that's how long before 7:15 do you think?  7:05?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.  Around -- probably seven.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Does that work?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.  I had to park and walk back.  It takes like ten minutes to walk from my car to school.  7:15, maybe.  Maybe it was 7:20.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  That you actually got in your dorm?

MR. PORCO:  To actually walk to the dorm, yeah.  It's around there some time.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Let's say 7:20?  All right. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I'm just about to finish it up.  I'll be right back.


DETECTIVE RINALDI:  How is school going? 

MR. PORCO:  It's going good.

DETECTIVE RINALDI:  Tough?

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)

DETECTIVE RINALDI:  What's your major?

MR. PORCO:  Economics.

DETECTIVE RINALDI:  Can't be easy.

MR. PORCO:  No, it's not easy.

DETECTIVE RINALDI:  No.  I'll bet it's (inaudible two words.)   

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I'm trying to see whether there's been a change in your mother's condition.  Okay. 

MR. PORCO:  She's coherent? 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Yeah, pretty much.  All right.  We covered up until Saturday, right?  You drove back to the room.  You left Bethlehem at 3:15?

MR. PORCO:  Yes.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  You got back.  We were back in your dorm at about 7:20?

MR. PORCO:  Yes.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  That's Saturday night, right?


MR. PORCO:  Yes.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  What time did you go to bed?  What did you do that evening in the dorm.  Did you watch a movie?

MR. PORCO:  We were playing various drinking games, ping pong balls.  Went to bed fairly early.  Went to bed around probably one-ish, I think.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well, all right.  So, you got back at 7:20 and then hung out with the guys playing a TV game?

MR. PORCO:  Got dinner when I got back.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Do you eat campus food?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Got dinner and hung out with the guys in the dorm?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Until what time do you think?

MR. PORCO:  Must have been around one.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  All right.  Hung out with the guys.  Until what time do you think?

MR. PORCO:  Around one.

OFFICER:  Around one?


MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  All right.  1 p.m.

MR. PORCO:  A.M.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Huh?

MR. PORCO:  A.M.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  A.M.  You're right.  All right.  Then you went to bed?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Went to bed.  What time did you wake up, you think?  This is Sunday now.

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.  Sunday I got up around -- around noon.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  What did you do on Sunday after you got up at 12 noon?

MR. PORCO:  Studied for an Econ test.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  In the dorm?

MR. PORCO:  In the library.  I studied until about six.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  What did you have to -- what time do you think you went to the library?

MR. PORCO:  Around six.  In between then, I was down the hall after eating.  I made a grilled cheese sandwich.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  All right.  You had --


MR. PORCO:  Sat around watching TV with like four or five people.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Ate lunch?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Ate lunch.  Um -- and did what?  Hung out?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.  I was watching TV and stuff.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Ate lunch, watched TV, right?

MR. PORCO:  M-m h-m-m. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  All right.  Until when?

MR. PORCO:  Around six.  I went to the library. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Until?

MR. PORCO:  Until -- came back around 11 (inaudible two words) 10:30.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  6 p.m., went to library?

MR. PORCO:  Right.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  All right.  Went to library.  Studied for -- what did you study?

MR. PORCO:  Economics.  (Inaudible statement.)


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Until what time, do you think?

MR. PORCO:  11 or so.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  Okay, this is Sunday night, right?   

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  So, you studied for the test in the library until 11 p.m.?

MR. PORCO:  Yes.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  All right.  What -- what then?

MR. PORCO:  Then I watched Total Recall.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  In your dorm room?

MR. PORCO:  Yes.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Have we got anything to drink out there, Chuck?

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  No.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Who did you watch TV with?

MR. PORCO:  Me and myself at that point.  People came in and out, but I wouldn't say they were watching it.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  What day is -- where are you now?


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Sunday in the evening.  All right.  So, and watched TV by myself from --

MR. PORCO:  Yes.  Total Recall.  It's not important, I think.   It's on the computer in my room.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  And you went on it (inaudible two words.)  From what time to what time?  Did you mean 11?  Did you get back --

MR. PORCO:  About one.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  11:15 until --

MR. PORCO:  Not long.  Probably a couple hours.  I watched the movie straight through.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  I can't get rid of this friggin' stomach bug I got.  Oh, man.  I hardly ever get sick.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Until about 1 a.m.?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  You watched Total Recall.  Okay, then what?

MR. PORCO:  At that point, the RD, the Resident (inaudible two words) Regional Director, he went to sleep in my room and I was in the lounge.  I fell asleep.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  You fell asleep in the lounge?


MR. PORCO:  That's where I was sleeping.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  When is this?

MR. PORCO:  Last night.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Oh, last night?

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  What did you sleep on?

MR. PORCO:  A couch.  It's a University issue, there couches in there.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  What time did you fall asleep?

MR. PORCO:  I was watching -- I'm not sure what time.  I just watched TV until I fell asleep.   

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Well, what time did you lay down when you were in that dorm room?  Or I mean the -- the lounge?

MR. PORCO:  About one.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  One in the morning?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.  Probably shortly after that.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  That's when you started watching TV?

MR. PORCO:  No, I watched Total Recall in my room before that.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  And that was right after you got done at the library?

MR. PORCO:  Yes.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Which was around 11, you said?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  All right. 

MR. PORCO:  Then I went to the lounge and I ended up falling asleep.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  What time do you think you finally went to sleep in the lounge?

MR. PORCO:  11:30.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  And what time did you wake up?  Are you a sound sleeper or are you a light sleeper?

MR. PORCO:  Depends.  Pretty sound sleeper, I guess.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Yeah.  So what time do you think you woke up?

MR. PORCO:  Woke up at eight, around there.  Went for a run.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  And this is last night.  You woke up eight o'clock this morning?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.


DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  How often do you sleep in the lounge?

MR. PORCO:  Not often.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  No.

MR. PORCO:  It's unusual because the -- I gave my bed to the Regional Director guy.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  M-m h-m-m.  When was the last time that you did sleep in the lounge?  That's pretty strange.

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  What's that?

MR. PORCO:  Her name was (inaudible four words) earlier in the year (inaudible four to five words).

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  How long ago was that?

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  So this is not a regular thing at all?

MR. PORCO:  No.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  How often does your Regional Director show up?

MR. PORCO:  Once a year. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  All right.  So --

MR. PORCO:  It was a planned thing.  I had offered my bed like a week before that.


DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  So, when you woke up this morning, what -- did you just wake up on your own?

MR. PORCO:  Yes.  (Inaudible statement.)

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  So, it's not like somebody came -- one of your dorm guys came and kicked you in the ass and said, get off the couch, I want to watch TV?

MR. PORCO:  People were there when I woke up.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  M-m h-m-m.  Who was there when you woke up?

MR. PORCO:  It's hard because people came in and out all the time.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Right.

MR. PORCO:  I'm trying to think.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Did anybody else sleep in the lounge?

MR. PORCO:  No.  People were going through it.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  M-m h-m-m. 

MR. PORCO:  After I was asleep, people were walking around.  I went for a run this morning when I woke up.


DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Want a coffee?

MR. PORCO:  No, I'm fine, thank you.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Okay. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  There's water there.  When you said you went for a run --

MR. PORCO:  Yup.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  -- woke up at 8 a.m.  What time do you think you went for the run?

MR. PORCO:  Right then.  About five minutes after I got up.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Did you go to your dorm or you just got up and ran?

MR. PORCO:  Got up and ran.  Well, I walked in my room and got my shoes.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  How far did you have to run or do you?  

MR. PORCO:  Not far.  Only a mile and a half.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  So, you got -- you just grabbed your shoes and that was it?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.  I went in my room and got my shoes.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Okay. 


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  So now you've gone for the run.  You come back at about what time?  How long did it take you to do that?

MR. PORCO:  About 20 minutes later.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Give or take getting the sneakers and everything, I mean --

MR. PORCO:  It didn't take long.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  -- you're talking about 8:30 here, an hour or 8:20?

MR. PORCO:  8:20.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  And you got back to the dorm at that time?

MR. PORCO:  Yes.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  8:20 after you did your run?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  How far did you run?

MR. PORCO:  A mile and a half.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  A mile and a half.

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement)

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Well, right. 

MR. PORCO:  I take a loop.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  How fast do you run?  What kind of mile do you do?

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)


DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  No.

MR. PORCO:  Seven maybe.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Seven minutes is pretty damn fast.

MR. PORCO:  I wasn't going that fast.  It was about a 20-minute run.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  That's my pace.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well, okay.  Anybody up yet?  Who saw you?  Who's the first person to see you?

MR. PORCO:  When I woke up or went to my room?

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Whichever.  Who's the first person to see you?  Like in your dorm before you left, did somebody see you?

MR. PORCO:  Greg Whiteside, the fraternity president.  When I walked out and I was sitting on the couch, like he was coming up.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  At?

MR. PORCO:  About eight, actually before I left.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Wait, who was that?

MR. PORCO:  His name is Greg, Greg Whiteside.


DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Did he say anything to you?  Any conversation?

MR. PORCO:  He asked me how the couch was.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  M-m h-m-m.  Now, your dorm, is that locked?  Do you have to have a special key to get into it or a card or anything or how does that work?

MR. PORCO:  It's a card key entry.  Our door currently is broken.  You can just pull it open, but there's a card key.  You swipe your card to get in.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  M-m h-m-m.  M-m h-m-m. 

MR. PORCO:  Sometimes it locks and sometimes it doesn't.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  So Greg Whiteside saw you?

MR. PORCO:  He kind of stumbled out in his tee shirt and boxers.

OFFICER:  Getting up from the couch at about 8 a.m., you're saying?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  And then you did go for a run?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Got back maybe around 8:20, give or take.

MR. PORCO:  Right.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Right?  All right.  What's after that?

MR. PORCO:  Sat back down on the same couch and sat around and watched TV for about three hours with five or six guys.  We were waiting for the guy to wake up who was in my bed.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  All right.  So, you watched TV.  With who?

MR. PORCO:  Let's see.  Eric Culderwell.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  What's the last name?

MR. PORCO:  Culderwell, C-u-l-d-e-l --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  D-e-l?

MR. PORCO:  Culderwell.  D-e-r-w-e-l-l.  Luis Ortiz, and Yoni.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  First name?

MR. PORCO:  Y-o-n-i.  His last name is Johnawitz-Kohn.  J-o-h-n.  (Inaudible statement.)

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Johnawitz.

MR. PORCO:  Johonawitz-Kohn, yeah.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  A-w-i-t-z - C-o-h-n?  Cohn?


MR. PORCO:  I think a K.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  K-o-h-n?

MR. PORCO:  K-a-h-n, actually.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay. 

MR. PORCO:  I'm not sure.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay. 

MR. PORCO:  We sat around until -- until about probably almost noon, at which time the Regional Director guy woke up.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Until noon when -- is that the guy who was sleeping in your bed?

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  What, did he come down and get you?

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  What's his name?

MR. PORCO:  He just walked out.  Jason something.  He will be there until tomorrow morning.  But his name is (inaudible two words).

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Jason?

MR. PORCO:  I don't know his last name.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  All right.  So, now you're talking 12 noon.  This is Monday now?

MR. PORCO:  This is today.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Right.  This is today.  Then what?


MR. PORCO:  Me and Yoni, the kid from before, went to get food. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  At what time?

MR. PORCO:  Right about then.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Where did you get the food?

MR. PORCO:  It's called the Melinanora (Phonetic) Dining Hall on campus.  I didn't actually go.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  After that?

MR. PORCO:  Came back.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  What time did you get back to the dorm?

MR. PORCO:  Twenty minutes later.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  12:20?

MR. PORCO:  About.  Before (inaudible three to four words).

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay. 

MR. PORCO:  Sat down on the pink/big?? couch.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  M-m h-m-m. 

MR. PORCO:  Watched TV for like another hour.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  By yourself?


MR. PORCO:  No.  There was other people in the room.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay. 

MR. PORCO:  And then I went into my room.  No, I take that back.  I went into my friend Chris' room to use his computer because of the RD guy was using mine.  His name is Chris Degel.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  So now you're talking about maybe 1:20?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  1:20, went to Chris

or --

MR. PORCO:  His name is Chris Degel.  He lives on the same floor as me.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  (Indecipherable two words) room?

MR. PORCO:  Huh?

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  He got a room, you think?

MR. PORCO:  230 something.  I don't know.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  All right. 

MR. PORCO:  He left to go to class shortly after that.  I stayed in his room on his computer.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Went to Chris Degel's room to use the Internet?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Was he there?

MR. PORCO:  At first, yes, and then after about 40 minutes, then he came back.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Who did you talk to on the Internet?

MR. PORCO:  Sarah. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay. 

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)  A bunch of people.  There was like ten of us on there at that point.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay. 

MR. PORCO:  And about 30 minutes later, Chris came back.  He had been talking with one of his advisors.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Which was about what time?

MR. PORCO:  Probably about two.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Two-ish?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  Chris left the room?


MR. PORCO:  About 40 minutes or so.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  For about 40 minutes?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah, about.  I was watching TV in the (indecipherable one word) chair in his room.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  40 minutes.

MR. PORCO:  He came back in and -- at about the same time he was watching TV in the room.  We were sitting around.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  M-m h-m-m. 

MR. PORCO:  Hour or so after that, Sarah's sister told me about the police on Brockley Drive.  After that, the Times Union called.  I was going back to my room.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  You said you talked to about ten people online?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.  A lot of people.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  You don't remember who they are?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.  A girl named Kara Nash.  She's a student at U of R.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Kara Nash?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.  Kara with a K.  K-a-r-a.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  K-a --


MR. PORCO:  R-a.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  Courtney Arduini.  She's a student at Manhattan College.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  These are all people that you knew from school?

MR. PORCO:  They went to my high school.

OFFICER:  From high school?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  Talk about anything substantial or just?

MR. PORCO:  No.  We were just talking.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  M-m h-m-m. 

MR. PORCO:  A while into the conversation is when Sarah copied the thing that her sister had said to her about the police on Brockley Drive, at which point --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  You were talking to Sarah too then?


MR. PORCO:  Yeah, (inaudible two words.)  Then I went back to my room.  I went to WNYT.com, and the story had said there was murder on Brockley Drive and absolutely no details whatsoever.  The Times Union called me shortly after that, and then I called you guys.  And lots of other reporters called and you guys called me back about 45 minutes later.  At which point U of R security (inaudible three words) pretty much about what time.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay. 

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.) 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  About what time do you think you got the call or went online or?

MR. PORCO:  From the --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Times Union?

MR. PORCO:  Maybe 3:30.  I'm not really sure.  3:30, around there.  They called me several times.  At this point, U of R security is in the room with me.  A few guys.  I'm not sure of their names.  (Inaudible statement.)  My aunt called and said that my uncle was coming to get me, and he came and got me and we drove here.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  How you doing?

MR. PORCO:  Tired.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Now, you told me you didn't talk to anybody before you left on Friday?

MR. PORCO:  What do you mean, before I left to go see Sarah?   

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Right.


MR. PORCO:  I'm sure I ran into people when I was leaving.  People knew I was going.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Anybody in particular?

MR. PORCO:  I can't remember who exactly it was.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Yeah?

MR. PORCO:  My roommate was there when I left.  I think he was, but I'm not sure.  I don't remember.  I'm sure if you ask him.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  And you don't get any money from anybody else?

MR. PORCO:  No.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I mean, your grandmother or a great aunt or something?  Nobody gives you any money?

MR. PORCO:  25 bucks at Halloween from my grandmother.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  That's about it?

MR. PORCO:  And birthdays and stuff.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Does your brother get any money?

MR. PORCO:  He's got more than me.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  All right.

MR. PORCO:  As far as I know.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I'm getting tired  You probably are too.

DETECTIVE RINALDI:  Who do you hear from anymore around here?  What's his name there?  What's your buddy's name?  He lives over in -- what is it, Middlesex Surrey Mall?  Remember I went to his house?  Member of DID a long time ago. 

MR. PORCO:  Really?

DETECTIVE RINALDI:  What was his name?

MR. PORCO:  Aaron Moon?

DETECTIVE RINALDI:  What's his name?

MR. PORCO:  Aaron Moon?

DETECTIVE RINALDI:  Was that his name?  How is he doing?

MR. PORCO:  Good.  I don't really talk to him anymore.

DETECTIVE RINALDI:  I didn't know.  I knew you guys were friends in high school.

MR. PORCO:  He's doing good, I think.

DETECTIVE RINALDI:  Still doing any swimming or anything?

MR. PORCO:  Most of this year, I have a problem with my shoulder.  I can't swim. 


DETECTIVE RINALDI:  Oh, really?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE RINALDI:  Did you do like a rotator cuff

or --

MR. PORCO:  Partial tear on rotator cuff.

DETECTIVE RINALDI:  M-m h-m-m.  That will do it to you.

MR. PORCO:  Playing squash.

DETECTIVE RINALDI:  Squash, you said?  How is that?  I never played that.

MR. PORCO:  It's fun.  Like racquetball, kind of.

DETECTIVE RINALDI:  Yeah, right.  Like handball.  Handball is (inaudible one word.)

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE RINALDI:  Does the paddle have holes in it?

MR. PORCO:  It's like a tennis racket.

DETECTIVE RINALDI:  M-m h-m-m. 

MR. PORCO:  Smaller.

DETECTIVE RINALDI:  M-m h-m-m.  Same rules as handball or racquetball?


MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible one word) is a little different.

DETECTIVE RINALDI:  Little different.

MR. PORCO:  It's the same idea.

DETECTIVE RINALDI:  M-m h-m-m.  What's it cost to go to the University of Rochester?

MR. PORCO:  About 40.

DETECTIVE RINALDI:  Is it by RIT?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.  It's about ten minutes away.

DETECTIVE RINALDI:  I've been to RIT.  It's been a while.  Many years ago.

MR. PORCO:  It's about 40.  No one really pays that, but --

DETECTIVE RINALDI:  Yeah.

MR. PORCO:  It's about 30 a year. 

DETECTIVE RINALDI:  Is it a similar campus as RIT?

MR. PORCO:  No.  It's more a -- Ivy League like, I guess.

DETECTIVE RINALDI:  Yeah.

MR. PORCO:  Pretty near (inaudible two word) functional.

DETECTIVE RINALDI:  M-m h-m-m.  So what are your thoughts?


MR. PORCO:  About what?

DETECTIVE RINALDI:  About anything, about this.

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)

DETECTIVE RINALDI:  I knew your Dad, obviously, pretty well.  I don't really know your Mom.  (Inaudible statement.)  I know a lot of people are going to be sad.  You know, the Cardonas were down there,  (Inaudible one word) hugging me.

MR. PORCO:  There was a lot of people there?

DETECTIVE RINALDI:  Huh?

MR. PORCO:  There were a lot of people there.

DETECTIVE RINALDI:  Yeah.  There was a lot more earlier.  Court people.  Like anybody else that went home.

MR. PORCO:  I want to talk to my Mom.

DETECTIVE RINALDI:  I'm sorry?

MR. PORCO:  I want to talk to my Mom.

DETECTIVE RINALDI:  Yeah.

(Short period of silence.)

DETECTIVE RINALDI:  How is Rochester compared to Albany?


MR. PORCO:  Pretty similar.

DETECTIVE RINALDI:  A little bigger though, right?

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)

DETECTIVE RINALDI:  Kodak still --

MR. PORCO:  The biggest employer is actually the school. 

DETECTIVE RINALDI:  Well --

MR. PORCO:  Hospital --

DETECTIVE RINALDI:  M-m h-m-m.  So, there's a pre-med program, I take it?

MR. PORCO:  Very good med. school.

DETECTIVE RINALDI:  M-m h-m-m. 

MR. PORCO:  Very good business school.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  All right.  Look it.  I'm going to go over this one more time with you just so I have it, okay? 

MR. PORCO:&n, bsp; , Sure.,

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  And then (inaudible two words), okay?  On Friday, you awoke around 10 a.m., right?  And these are approximates.

MR. PORCO:  They're all approximates.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Of course they are.  I understand that.  I couldn't tell you what I had for dinner the other -- last night, do you remember?

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  All right.  You got food in the campus at about 10:30 a.m.?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  In dorm until about 1 p.m.  We're still talking Friday now?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Roommate Matt Ambrosi was --

MR. PORCO:  Ambrosio.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Ambrosio was in and out?

MR. PORCO:  Yup.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay. 

MR. PORCO:  He left early and then came back.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Around 1:30 p.m., got gas, Route 15 Mobil station with a card?

MR. PORCO:  Correct.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  Got on Thruway at Exit 46 and drove to Bethlehem.  Arrived at about 5:30 p.m.?

MR. PORCO:  Correct.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  Drove directly to Sarah's home.  Went to Friday's with Sarah's -- with Sarah and sister Kate at about 6:30 p.m.?

MR. PORCO:  Correct.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Everyone paid bill.  Cash, right?

MR. PORCO:  Cash.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  Cash.  At about 7:30 p.m., left Friday's Restaurant.  Stopped at Hollywood Video at Price Chopper at 7:45 p.m. about?

MR. PORCO:  Correct.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Went back to Sarah's home.  Watched movie, Supersize Me.  Then stayed overnight.

MR. PORCO:  Correct.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  Saturday you hung out at Sarah's until 3:15 p.m.

MR. PORCO:  M-m h-m-m. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  What did you to until that time?

MR. PORCO:  Watched TV, cooked, I think.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.

MR. PORCO:  I sat on the couch watching TV.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Nothing special?

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  She's your girlfriend, right?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  All right.  Then went ‑‑ left, stayed at Sarah's until about 3:15 p.m.  Then went to parents' home, your parents, found no one home, checked dog, left at about 3:25 p.m.?

MR. PORCO:  I stayed there about five minutes probably.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  Okay.  Got gas Mobil station near Sutter's Restaurant on Western Avenue at about 3:40 p.m.  Okay?  Got on Thruway Exit 24 at about 3:50 p.m.  Drove back to college at 7:15 p.m.  Got gas again at the Mobil station Exit 46 prior to getting off.

MR. PORCO:  No, on the way to school, I got gas.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  All right.  So, that's actually, right.  At 7 p.m.  So, you actually got -- you stopped at 7 p.m. and then you got off the Thruway at 7:15?


MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  Got dinner.  Hung out with guys in dorm until 1 a.m., then went to bed.

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  Sunday got up around 12 noon.  Ate lunch, watched TV until 6 p.m.  Did you eat lunch with anybody?

MR. PORCO:  On Sunday?

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  H-m-m, yesterday.

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.  I'm trying to think.  I made lunch (inaudible two words).

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  You were in there.  I thought (indecipherable name) was in here.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I'm in your thoughts, right?

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Yeah.

MR. PORCO:  I made a grilled cheese sandwich in my room.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Did you eat with anybody at all?

MR. PORCO:  Made it my room.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  All right.  So nobody was with you?


MR. PORCO:  Matt, my roommate might have been around (inaudible four words).  I don't know if he was or not.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Roommate in and out?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah, he's always in and out.  I'm not sure if he was there when I was eating the sandwich or not (inaudible three words). 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  Matt, roommate, in and out.  All right.  So you were there in your room, Sunday.  Got up at 12 p.m., got up at 12 -- yeah, 12 p.m., ate lunch, watched TV until 6 p.m. on Sunday?

MR. PORCO:  Yes.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Went to library.  You studied economics for test until 11 p.m. that evening?

MR. PORCO:  Correct.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Did you stop for dinner or anything?

MR. PORCO:  I ate out of a vending machine.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  That's great.  Okay.  Went back to dorm and watched TV by myself, Total Recall, until about --

MR. PORCO:  In my dorm room, yeah.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  Until about 1 a.m.?

MR. PORCO:  M-m h-m-m. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Fell asleep on the lounge couch about 1:30 a.m.?

MR. PORCO:  M-m h-m-m. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Woke up at about 8 a.m.  Went for a run for about mile and a half.

MR. PORCO:  It was a 20-minute run, so I'm not --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Where do you run?

MR. PORCO:  The -- on a road on campus, it's around.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Other people running?

MR. PORCO:  People were out.  I mean, so many people running that were out.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Name of the road?

MR. PORCO:  If I had a map of the campus, I'd show you.  I don't know what the road is called.  It like loops around and goes --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  M-m h-m-m. 

MR. PORCO:  -- through a parking lot and then through the park and then back up to the campus.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  Got back to dorm room at about 8:20 a.m.?

MR. PORCO:  M-m h-m-m. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  You said back though, Greg Whitestone did see you getting up?

MR. PORCO:  Whiteside.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Whiteside saw you getting up from the couch --

MR. PORCO:  Yeah, he walked in --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  -- at about 8 a.m.?  And who is he, just a classmate?

MR. PORCO:  He's on my floor.  He's the president of the fraternity.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  Okay.  You got back from your run, you sat on same couch and watched TV with Eric Culderwell, Luis Ortiz, Yoni Johnawitz-Kohn, Kone?

MR. PORCO:  Johnawitz-Kohn or something.  I'm not sure.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  Watched TV until noon when Jason got up from your bed?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  12 noon, Yoni and yourself got food from campus cafeteria?


MR. PORCO:  M-m h-m-m. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  12:20, got back to dorm, sat down same couch, watched TV for about one hour.  Does that sound right?

MR. PORCO:  About that.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  1:20 p.m., Chris Degel's Room 230 something, went there to use the  Internet?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Talked to Sarah online.  Chris left room for about 40 minutes, talked to Kara Nash, Courtney Arduini, and then basically after that you got the call from Times Union about your parents?

MR. PORCO:  I went back to my room.  Sarah, she told me the thing her sister had sent her about the police on my street.  So I went back to my room.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  That's your own dorm room?

MR. PORCO:  Yes.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Let's see.  1:20 p.m. (inaudible two words.)  So, that was 1:20 you went to Chris Degel's room.  You started looking and you went back to your room.  What time do you think you might have gotten the call from Times Union?

MR. PORCO:  Probably a little after three, I would think.  I was there in Chris' room for a while.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Around 3 p.m.  When I say around, I mean around, right?

MR. PORCO:  Right.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay. 

MR. PORCO:  I don't know (indecipherable three words).

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  So that's pretty much close ‑‑

MR. PORCO:  Yeah. 

                                                DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  -- to what's going on here, right?

MR. PORCO:  Right.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  What I would have you do -- I don't feel like typing this, all right.  You sign right down there, put your address and everything down there.  Put your date of birth here too.

(Mr. Porco complies with direction.)


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I did ask you in the beginning, you know, on Friday before you left, did you talk to a lot of different people?

MR. PORCO:  My roommate.  (Inaudible statement.)  You know, good-bye, I'll see you later, have fun.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  On the Friday before you left, did you go have a bagel with anybody?

MR. PORCO:  No.  Yeah, I did.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Who did you have a bagel with?

MR. PORCO:  I forgot about that.  Before I left, I had --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  You're making me nervous here.  You're forgetting about things.

MR. PORCO:  I'm sorry.  (Inaudible statement.)  I had a bagel at Bruegger's with my ex-girlfriend of a long time.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Who's that?

MR. PORCO:  Her name is Janice (inaudible one word.)  (Inaudible statement.)        

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  What did you talk about?

MR. PORCO:  Kind of (indecipherable two words) each other, I guess.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Did you talk about maybe coming down to Bethlehem to meet a real estate person?

MR. PORCO:  I talked about the interest and (inaudible three words.)  Talked about having (inaudible three words.)     

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  About buying a piece of property on the outer bank?

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  And how did that --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  How did you do that?

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  -- come about, yeah?

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Listen, Chris.  Look it.  There's been a few things that I wondered about you've been saying to me, but your brother has been able -- your mother's been able to communicate.   

MR. PORCO:  M-m h-m-m. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I don't know what the situation was with your -- with your family or anything, but I -- I want to try and work with you here.  I really do.

MR. PORCO:  M-m h-m-m. 


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  But I'm telling you, she says you were involved here.  (Inaudible statement.) 

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  Do you understand?  If you don't -- if we don't come to some type of conclusion here, this is not going to be -- this is not going to be good.  I'm trying to work with you here now, son. 

MR. PORCO:  I understand.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Work with me, all right?  She's not dead.  She's indicating what happened to her (inaudible three words.)

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  If, you know, (indecipherable two words), son.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Tell us what happened.


DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  What we've been told is you've been drinking quite a bit.  Not -- you know, just on various points and different amounts.  If that has something to do with it, then that's important, but it's different -- that would definitely weigh in your favor if that's a contributing factor for you, all of a sudden, losing your temper or something like that, DA listens to stuff like that.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  It has nothing to do with that.

MR. PORCO:  I don't know what you mean.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Tell us what -- what's going on here.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  If you have a problem --

MR. PORCO:  The reason I said that to her, certain reasons -- the reason I said buying property and stuff, the reason I said that before  (inaudible two words) -- I don't know, I thought I'd make myself look good.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Did you hear what I said?  Your mother is communicating.

MR. PORCO:  Okay. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  She's saying you were there at the house.

MR. PORCO:  I don't know why she would say that.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  She's alive.

MR. PORCO:  I'm aware of that.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  You've got to talk to us because I don't want this to get out of hand.

MR. PORCO:  Either do I.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  It will end up being a mess.  Talk to us, all right, because it's going to end up -- it's going to be a big mess because she knows what happened.

MR. PORCO:  I hope she does. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well --

MR. PORCO:  I was not there.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I'm trying to tell you.

MR. PORCO:  But I --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  She's indicating that you were.

MR. PORCO:  I'd like to hear that from her too.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  What's that?      

MR. PORCO:  I'd like to hear that from her too.  You know, I --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Son, you know what, I couldn't possibly lie about this.

MR. PORCO:  I hope you wouldn't.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I wouldn't, I couldn't.  I couldn't, all right?  I'm trying to -- I want to try and enter into this as smoothly as possible to try and -- I don't want you to get thrown to the wolves.  All right, listen to me.  We're trying to work with you here, but if you don't work with us, it's going to get all out of hand, okay?

MR. PORCO:  I understand.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  All right?  It's going to get all out of hand, and then it's going to get out of our hands.  You know, we're going to try and understand here, but you've got to work with us.

MR. PORCO:  There's nothing to understand.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Why are you saying that?  This woman is not going to lie about this.

MR. PORCO:  I don't believe she would say that.  She has no reason to say that.  I was not in my house.  I was not there.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Son, I'm telling you what the facts are.  I'm not lying to you.  I couldn't possibly -- I wouldn't draw this out of thin air.  I wouldn't, I couldn't.  You know, the problem is going to be that this is what we've been told. 


DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  And this is your one opportunity where you're going to get to talk about it freely and give an explanation, if you have one.  If not --

MR. PORCO:  Don't have an explanation.  I was not there.  I was 200 miles away at school.  I have absolutely no reason to do this to my parents.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  From what I know about your mother, she wouldn't -- this wouldn't be -- this is not something would be lied about.

MR. PORCO:  I don't think she would lie about it.  I never thought she (indecipherable two words).

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Right, right, right.  So do you see how this might end up if we don't try and --

MR. PORCO:  I honestly don't believe she would say that.  I don't know why she would.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Why would -- why would I even begin to make that up unless it were true, because if it wasn't true, you would know I was lying if it wasn't.

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  If it wasn't true.  I mean, if I was lying to you about this, you would know that.


MR. PORCO:  I would know.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I'm telling you --

MR. PORCO:  And --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I'm telling you --

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I told you that she couldn't verbalize, but she can indicate, all right?  And I'm telling you it was -- it was for sure.  I mean, the poor woman laid there for --

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  You know what bothers me about all this?  Is you don't really show much remorse on any of this.  Not any compassion, not even any caring.  If my parents were killed, my father, if my dog gets killed, I would show a little more emotion than what you're showing right now as far as what your parents have gone through.

MR. PORCO:  I have --

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  And you haven't shown anything.  Let me ask you something.  When you found out this on the news -- you were called today at 1:30?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.  Well, no, about three something.


DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  The Times Union.  All right, what time did you hear about this?

MR. PORCO:  3:15, 3:30, somewhere around there.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  From?

MR. PORCO:  Times Union.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Times Union?  Are you sure on that time?

MR. PORCO:  Around there.  I didn't look at the clock, but it was around that time.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  What did you do then?

MR. PORCO:  I called you guys, and asked what's going on.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  But --

MR. PORCO:  And talked to --

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  That's not true, because you said you were on the computer.

MR. PORCO:  I was.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  After the Times Union.

MR. PORCO:  I was.  I was talking to other people trying to figure out what was going on.


DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Well, you just got done saying you called us.  Which is it?  You can't have it both ways.  Which is the chronological order?

MR. PORCO:  I was talking to you on the computer while I was on the phone.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Oh.  So, you used that phone from that room, your buddy's computer room?

MR. PORCO:  My room.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  But that's not where you said you used the computer.  You used your buddy's.

MR. PORCO:  Read the thing.  I left my buddy's room after Sarah told me that there was police on my street.  I went back to my room and used my computer and my phone.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Do you know what's going to happen?  Your prints are going to show up and they don't lie.  You know what bothers me?  I don't care because right now you are cold.  You're as fucking cold as can be.

MR. PORCO:  I am not.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  You are cold.  No emotion.  You really don't care your father is dead.

MR. PORCO:  Of course I care.


DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  No, you don't.  You don't care that he's dead.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  What's going on?

MR. PORCO:  There is nothing going on.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  There's something going on --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Listen, Chris --

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  -- and you don't care.  

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Look it.  Listen to me.

MR. PORCO:  I care.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  All right.  Listen, Chris.  I'm wondering, maybe you (inaudible three words) your dad and then had a fight (indecipherable two words).

MR. PORCO:  There is no wondering maybe.  I was not anywhere near my house.  I was --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  But why would that -- she wouldn't -- she wouldn't lie about that.

MR. PORCO:  Well, I don't think she would either.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well, I'm telling you.

MR. PORCO:  I would like to -- to see her indicate that I was there.  I do not believe that.  For one second, I don't believe it.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Then you think I'm lying to you about it?

MR. PORCO:  Respectfully, I do.  I'm sorry.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well, think about it for a minute.  If I was lying to you about this, you would know I was lying, all right?  You would know I was lying.  It would be a total detriment to me for me to tell you a lie.  I'm not telling you a lie, Chris.

MR. PORCO:  I --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I'm not. 

MR. PORCO:  I really have to believe that you are.  I'm sorry.  I was not there.  I would never do this to my parents.  I don't --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I would like to think that you're right, okay, but I'm trying to tell you maybe -- maybe you went there to talk to your Dad about money or something.

MR. PORCO:  I didn't go to talk.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  You were pissed off over something.  I can tell you that.

MR. PORCO:  Not pissed off.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Chris, this was a crime of passion.  There was a lot of emotion going on here.  This was not a robbery, okay?


MR. PORCO:  I didn't say that it was a robbery.  I don't even know what happened.  You haven't even told me anything about it.  There was absolutely no arguments ever.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Why would she say that?

MR. PORCO:  I don't believe she said it.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Well, she did.

MR. PORCO:  Well, I don't believe it.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I wish -- I wish I wasn't -- I wish I wasn't having to tell you this.  I really do, but I'm telling you the truth, son, and it hurts me to do this, all right?  I don't enjoy this whatsoever.

MR. PORCO:  I don't think you do either.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Honestly, honest to God.  I knew your father for a long time.  That's why I'm saying that maybe, maybe something got out of hand, all right?  I'm trying -- I don't -- you know, I'm trying to say maybe I can -- I can help a little bit here.  Maybe, all right?  But somebody -- you've got to work with me a little bit, all right?  I've got to try --


MR. PORCO:  There's nothing to work with.  I don't know what you want me -- you want me to come in and say that I killed my parents?  That would be a lie.  That's fucked up.  I would never do that.  There's no way in hell.  You know, you can think I'm cold and stuff.  How do you know what?  You don't know what I've been like.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well, I mean, I'd have to agree --

MR. PORCO:  You have no idea -- you have no idea what I'm feeling right now, and --

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  We don't?

MR. PORCO:  No, you don't.  Don't --

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  It doesn't seem like it's bothering you because when I talked to you today at three or four o'clock on the phone, you sure didn't sound really upset then either, and that was a half hour after you found out?

MR. PORCO:  I was extremely upset.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Well, sure didn't sound like it.

MR. PORCO:  You're not being very perceptive. 


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Look it, look it, let's not get tempers short here, okay?  What I'm telling you is fact.  I'm telling you the truth, all right?  That is why I'm sitting here right now talking to you, all right?  Yes, I would have to talk to the rest of your family because, of course, I have to, all right, but you're -- you're the one that I was talking to right now, and this is the information that I have, and I'm telling you the truth.  I'm not lying to you, all right?  There was no doubt about it, and there was other people who witnessed it, all right?

MR. PORCO:  I'd like to speak to them and see for myself.  I don't believe that (inaudible two words) --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  What difference is that going to make?

MR. PORCO:  It will make --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Unless you're suggesting I'm lying to you, and you know what?  Look it.  I've been in this business a long time.  I couldn't lie to you because if I did --

MR. PORCO:  I would hope not.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  If I did, I'd be found out wrong by you, all right?

MR. PORCO:  After the fact, yeah.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well, you understand what I'm saying?  If I don't tell you the truth,  I'm going to get blown away by you.  You're not going to think anything I'm saying is the truth.  I'm telling you, I'm telling you what was indicated to myself and other people.

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Excuse me?

MR. PORCO:  When did she indicate that to you?

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  This afternoon at the house.

MR. PORCO:  Really?

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Absolutely.

MR. PORCO:  What did she say?

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I told you.  I got affirmative indications, all right?  I went through everybody in the family, all right?  I mean, son, son, listen to me. 

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Listen to me.  It's not -- it's not -- it's a crime of passion, okay?  Like an emotional thing.  You know, that's what it is.


MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)  That's not the (inaudible one word) --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  What do you think is going to happen down the road if we're going by this information?  All right?  It's just going to get harder and harder.  I don't want to see you not have a -- not have a defense.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  So your only chance to explain is --

MR. PORCO:  There is nothing to explain.  I'm sorry if (inaudible four words) you think I killed my parents when you know that that's --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well, I don't want to think -- well, you know what?  I don't even want to imagine that that was the case.  I imagine that something happened, all right? 

MR. PORCO:  Nothing happened.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  An emotional flare up or something, you know, maybe.  That's what I'm searching for.  Give me something to grasp here.  Let me get through the night.

MR. PORCO:  Nothing happened.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Do you understand?  I have to get through this too, Chris.

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  You know what?  I feel a lot of pain here.

MR. PORCO:  I'm sorry.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well, I know --

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  They're your parents, and you know what?  I feel the pain.  So, I can't image what a child would feel, but I'm telling you what I was told, and I --

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  You're calling your mother a liar?

MR. PORCO:  I don't believe she would say that.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  How could I possibly lie to you about this?  What point would bring you to here --

MR. PORCO:  I --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  -- except for something as decisive as that?

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  We're obviously pointed in your direction.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I mean, you -- how could I possibly just say, okay, (inaudible one word) without anything?


MR. PORCO:  I --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Without anything?  I'd have to have something, Chris.

MR. PORCO:  Well, I don't know where that something came from, but --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I'm telling you where it came from.  I'm not -- I'm not lying because if I did, I'd be flapping in the wind here and you would know it.

MR. PORCO:  I don't have to say.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  I'm telling you

-- I'm telling you what I was told, all right?  I wish I -- no.  I wish it was different, all right?  Because I don't want to do this.  I'm sick to my stomach.

MR. PORCO:  Okay. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  That's why I'm asking you these questions (inaudible three words) out of hand.

MR. PORCO:  I don't know, I'm sorry.


DETECTIVE RINALDI:  Listen, all right.  I've known you for how long?  For a long time, all right?  I'm not going to ask you anything.    We'll take a ride and let's try to straighten this out, okay?  We're going to go up to -- we'll go and take a polygraph and make sure you're -- at least exonerate you.

MR. PORCO:  Do I have to have a lawyer present for that?

DETECTIVE RINALDI:  No.  Well, at least it will exonerate you from -- from this.

MR. PORCO:  Right.  I want to have a lawyer present for that.

DETECTIVE RINALDI:  Why is that?

MR. PORCO:  Because I'm not sure that I'm being treated fairly.

DETECTIVE RINALDI:  You are being treated fairly.

MR. PORCO:  Well, I'd like to make sure of that.

DETECTIVE RINALDI:  Well, if -- are you accepting to take the polygraph?  Are you accepting to take it?

MR. PORCO:  I will take one.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  M-m h-m-m. 

MR. PORCO:  After I've spoken to a lawyer.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Why do you need to speak to one first?

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well, look it, Chris.  Why would that be?

MR. PORCO:  Because I want to make sure that my rights are protected.  I feel I have done nothing wrong.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well, I'll tell you what.  I'm not going to run the test.

MR. PORCO:  I'm not saying you're biased.  I don't think you are.  I --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  No, we don't do the test.

MR. PORCO:  I hope you don't.  I know you don't.  (Inaudible statement.)

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I think you can feel my sincerity here. 

DETECTIVE RINALDI:  It's not admissible in Court, but at least it gives us a little baseline.

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.  I know it's not admissible.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well, look it.  I'm just going to throw this at you real quick.  I had a rape case some years ago, all right?  The person went in and took the polygraph --

MR. PORCO:  M-m h-m-m. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  -- and passed it.  I shook his hand bid him a good day.  I'm serious.  I'm dead serious, right?  Afterwards, I found out through further investigation, in fact, he was innocent, all right?

MR. PORCO:  That's good.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  This is what I'm telling you.  Keep us -- like I said, give us a baseline here.

MR. PORCO:  After I've spoken to a lawyer, I'd be happy to take one.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well, I'm going to tell you this too.  No lawyer I've ever met has allowed their client to take a polygraph, and I'll tell you why.  It's because they feel as though it's never going to be good for them.  If you're innocent, if you're innocent though, it will indicate that.  I'm telling you right now it does indicate false or true.

MR. PORCO:  Okay.  I know they work very well.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Yes, they do, and that's all they do, and you know what?  They can't even ask you questions out of the realm.  They have to be specific.

MR. PORCO:  I know (inaudible two words).

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  And we don't do it. 

MR. PORCO:  I understand.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  We don't do it.  So, that's why I would hope that you would take it just to eliminate you, please.

MR. PORCO:  After I've spoken to a lawyer, I will be happy to take one.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  As I said, I don't know of one --

MR. PORCO:  I'll talk to a lawyer about it and make a decision.  I don't feel I have anything to hide, but I (inaudible four to five words).

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well, you know what?  If I felt as though it was still incriminating of evidence I have right now, I wouldn't be asking you to take it because I wouldn't need it.  You know what I mean?

MR. PORCO:  I understand that.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  All right. 

MR. PORCO:  I would hope there wouldn't be.  I honestly believe that if my mother told you that I had killed her husband, you would already have -- you'd have me in handcuffs.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  No -- I'm being dead serious.

MR. PORCO:  Well, I --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I really am.  Son, I wouldn't lie about this. 

MR. PORCO:  I'd hope not.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I wouldn't, I wouldn't.  I wouldn't dare to.  Absolutely, I wouldn't dare to, but I'm trying to figure out maybe there was circumstances surrounding it.

MR. PORCO:  I was not home.  I don't know how to say it any plainer to you.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  M-m-m?  Excuse me?

MR. PORCO:  I don't know how to say it any plainer.  I was not home.  I was nowhere near my house, and the bottom line is, I would never do this ever.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  That's why I want you to take it.


MR. PORCO:  After I've spoken to a lawyer.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Because otherwise, you'll just -- you know, you'll just be charged, and I don't --

MR. PORCO:  There's a trial before, right, I mean --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Yeah.  I don't want it, you know?

MR. PORCO:  I don't want a trial either, obviously, but, you know, I feel I've been very cooperative.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Oh, no.  Chris, I think you've been a perfect gentleman.

MR. PORCO:  Right.  I -- you know, I've given everything you've asked for.  I'm not trying to hide anything from you, but I think that I'm entitled -- I know I'm entitled to speak with someone (inaudible three words.) 

DETECTIVE RINALDI:  All right.  Nobody is going to -- you know, we had to ask you in the room (inaudible four words.)

MR. PORCO:  It's not really how.  I just like to speak to a lawyer first.


DETECTIVE RINALDI:  And that's fine, and that's fine.

MR. PORCO:  All right. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  You would stabilize my faith.

MR. PORCO:  Well, no offense, I'm not really concerned with that at the moment.

DETECTIVE RINALDI:  I can tell you that (inaudible three words.)  So, if you wanted it, that's fine.  If you don't, we're probably going to be up at the house for quite a while.

MR. PORCO:  Do you have a (inaudible one word)?

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  And you can't really go up to your house, okay?

MR. PORCO:  I understand (inaudible three words.)

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  All right.  And we'll probably be there for a while.

MR. PORCO:  That's understandable.  (Inaudible statement.)

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  The phone wires in the pole at the back of your house was cut.

MR. PORCO:  Okay. 


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  And there was fingerprints on that phone box.

MR. PORCO:  Okay. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  And I say to you again, who else do you think would do something like this in that case, from what you're telling me?

MR. PORCO:  I have absolutely no idea.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  And you understand what I've been telling you that this is not a robbery.  This is a crime of emotions.

MR. PORCO:  I know what you're telling me.  I -- I don't know.  I have absolutely no idea.  You would know better than I would, I guess.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well, I would know better as to what the crime scene looked like.

MR. PORCO:  All right. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  That's what I'm trying to tell you.

MR. PORCO:  That's your job.  I know that.  I understand.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  All right.  So, how many other people would want to do this?

MR. PORCO:  You've already asked me that.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I mean, your brother is coming back, that's fine.  I mean, I have to talk to him anyways.

MR. PORCO:  He had nothing to do with it.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  You have no other members of immediate family, right?

MR. PORCO:  No.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I'm sorry you think I've been lying to you.  I really am, because it's really meant a lot to me to be able to tell you straight up everything, and I appreciate you talking to me.  And with this information and with you passing your polygraph, I'm sure it will tell you.  I'm dead serious. 

MR. PORCO:  Speak with the people in there.  Is that it?

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  That's it.

MR. PORCO:  I don't know how I could kill someone when I was that far away, I mean --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  (Inaudible statement.)  Please.  I'm asking you to please do that.

MR. PORCO:  I know you're asking me --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Because I really --

MR. PORCO:  I will do it -- I told you the conditions that I would do it under.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  And I told you that I haven't met too many attorneys that will allow their client to take a polygraph.

MR. PORCO:  As I already said, I'll speak with one, I'll make a decision --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well, and you know what, I don't -- I'm not saying you shouldn't, all right?  I'm just saying what I've experienced in the past.

MR. PORCO:  I understand that.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  But -- all right.  So, at that point, if we're left without doing the test, then we keep -- keep on whatever we do.

MR. PORCO:  That's fine.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  What route did you run this morning?

MR. PORCO:  When?

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  This morning when you ran.

MR. PORCO:  If you have a map of the school, I can show you.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Yeah.  He doesn't know the name of the street, but he could --

MR. PORCO:  Point it out.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  -- point it out on a map.

MR. PORCO:  I can draw it.  Do you want me to draw it?

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Yeah.

MR. PORCO:  Sure.

(Mr. Porco is drawing map.)

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Did you have a conversation with anybody while you were running?

MR. PORCO:  No.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Nobody -- did anybody that you know of see you?  Any of your friends see you running?

MR. PORCO:  I don't think so.  When I got back, some people were around.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  See, those guys right there are on the fence with you.  I'll be honest with you.  I'll be honest with you.  I'm not on the fence.  I'm on the other side of the fence, and I'm convinced that you did it.

MR. PORCO:  I understand how you feel, and I'm sorry.  Not correct.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  What's that say?

MR. PORCO:  Parking lot.


DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  All right.  So between you and me, right, now there is nobody else in here to witness it, why don't you tell me what happened because nobody else is going -- just me anyway with no witnesses, because I know you fucking did it.

MR. PORCO:  I didn't do it.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  You did do it.

MR. PORCO:  I most certainly did not.  I'm sorry if my reaction is not what you want.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  I've been around doing this long enough to know.

MR. PORCO:  Dealt with a lot of murderers, huh?

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Enough.  Just a month ago.

(Long pause.)

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  So is that really Coke on your shirt because I'm going to find that out.

MR. PORCO:  I wouldn't have given it to you if I thought there was blood on it.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Still would have gotten it from a warrant anyway. 

MR. PORCO:  Oh.


DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Let me guess, there's an insurance policy?

MR. PORCO:  I would kill my parents for money.  Brilliant.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  How much?

MR. PORCO:  We went over this.  You were here.  You remember.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Is that what you were going to use to buy property with down at the West Bank?

MR. PORCO:  Yes, I was going to buy the property.  No.  When I said it to her I was talking out of my ass.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Huh?

MR. PORCO:  When I said it to her I was talking out of my ass.  Guys do that sometimes.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  You guys ever go on family vacations?

MR. PORCO:  Yes.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Where do you guys go?

MR. PORCO:  A bunch of places.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Like what kind?

MR. PORCO:  Maryland.


DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Residential places, or, you know, like hotels, or what kind of places did you stay in?

MR. PORCO:  We rented houses.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Yeah.

MR. PORCO:  Different houses.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  You ever rough it?

MR. PORCO:  Yup.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Yeah?  Where do you go?

MR. PORCO:  Adironacks.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Yeah.  Where do you stay up there?

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible two words) usually.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Where's that?

MR. PORCO:  It's near (inaudible four words) region.  (Inaudible statement.)

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Okay.  So what do you stay in up there?

MR. PORCO:  A tent.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Listen, Christopher.  I don't dislike you, all right?  We're only trying to figure something out here.  You know?  What's -- what's going to happen if your prints come back on that -- the telephone box outside by the pole?  What's going to happen?  All right?

MR. PORCO:  I don't know.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I had fresh prints out there, all right?

MR. PORCO:  Okay.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Yeah.  I -- I'm really kind of amazed that I did, to tell you the truth.  I mean, I've been doing this a long time, Chris.  You know, and I'm not ‑‑ there's nothing here I'm going to lie to you about because I can't afford to.  I've got to be straight up with this, all right?  Do you have any idea -- did you see your Mom's injuries?

MR. PORCO:  No, I haven't seen my Mom.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  Do you have any idea what went on here?

MR. PORCO:  My uncle said it was a bludgeoned type thing.  Exactly what that means, not pretty, I assume.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well, no, it's not.  It's not, all right?  The reason why I told you that this isn't a burglary, this isn't a cat -- you know, burglary that you break in when somebody is in bed to steal some shit and then leave, all right?  It was nothing like that, all right?  Somebody went in that house with the sincere ambition as to hurt the people inside that house.

MR. PORCO:  I agree.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  All right?  And as far as I can tell at this point, they were bludgeoned in their bed.

MR. PORCO:  They were sleeping.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I'm assuming that that was the case, all right?  I wasn't -- I'm not positive, but I'm assuming that, all right, because there's blood all over the house.  There's blood all over the house because the blood got around by somebody that was bludgeoned.

MR. PORCO:  Was there blood on the dog?

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I couldn't tell you that.

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  When we got there, I couldn't tell you.  I don't think he had free run at that time.  I think he was in the basement.  All right?  Do you understand what is going to happen here if evidence starts coming back and indicating -- let me just throw a couple things out at you, all right?  All right.  This thing with your mother that you don't believe me about, okay, all right, that's sitting there now, it's looming over here on the edge, all right?  The other thing is, once some prints come back on the -- on the power pole box, all right, telephone box -- you lived in the house.  So something would have to come back on maybe a bloody footprint, a bloody handprint on a wall.  Maybe a piece of clothing.  You know, something like that.

MR. PORCO:  I understand.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  When things like this happen, there's a lot of blood involved, without getting too graphic, because I -- you know, look it, it bothers me too.  It does, but I have to impress upon you if -- son, if you think there's any -- any amount of guilt here at all, to please understand that things will mount up.

MR. PORCO:  I realize that.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  That's why I'm trying to impress upon you.  I mean, I don't -- I'm not Joe Prick.  I've been at this job for too long.  All I know is how the evidence stacks up and through people's statements, and I know how it works in Court, and I don't want you to get caught in a suction without a good reasoning behind it.  If -- if there's some guilt, if, okay?  Now, I didn't lie to you about what was indicated to me.  I didn't -- honest to God, I didn't.  I'm looking you straight in the eye.  I will go on a polygraph, all right?  I would do it right in front of you.  Well, I'm trying to impress upon you -- I mean, a mother, a mother.

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  A mother.  Why would she indicate a family member?  A son?

MR. PORCO:  I don't think she did.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I wish -- I wish she hadn't too.  I'm telling you, son, if there's anything wrong here at all, any guilt at all, understand this, it's not going -- it's not going to stop.  It's not going to stop.

MR. PORCO:  I understand.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  It's going to end up rolling up like a big snowball. 

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  If this goes to a Grand Jury, you're not going to have time after that to give your explanation. 


MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  I think you're just trying to play Joe Cool where you don't think we're going to find anything, because I already told you, you'll never convince me that you didn't do it or have something to do with it.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Not unless he proves it.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  No.  The Grand Jury is going to indict it.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well, a Grand Jury could indict anything, for Christ sake. 

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  That's right.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  My point is though, can it hold up in trial?  Could it hold up in trial?  That's the point, all right?

MR. PORCO:  That's the point.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  What I'm telling you with today's -- I mean, forensically, we're pretty sharp.

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I called in a crack team, all right?

MR. PORCO:  Good.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well, I had to, okay?  I'm going to work with them, but you know what?  They're pretty fucking good.  They do homicides all the time, all right?  I'm going to get the answer for your family.  That I promise you.  I'm going to give you my word this case will be closed, all right, but I am going to tell you, please, I'm begging you, if there's any guilt on your part, understand this, this is not going to stop.  You know, I mean, even if I was lying about your mother, which I'm not, if I was, there would be enough other evidence that could come up; hairs and fibers, all kinds of things.  You know, the trouble is today's technology, we could be in there for three days and come out with answers people would never conceive five years ago.

MR. PORCO:  I understand.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  TV, sometimes it's bullshit, CSI, but you know what?  There is a lot more advance in that.  We've got laser lights, we've got all kinds of stuff, all right?  We take hundreds of DNA samples, all right, and we don't have to get DNA just from blood.  We get it from all parts of the body now, all right?  If somebody rubs up against somebody as they're assaulting them, you know, I'm telling you, it's just endless.  It's endless the stuff that we get, and the reason why I'm talking to you like this, it's not because I'm trying to show off on how smart we are.  Not for a minute.  I'm trying to tell you that this is going to snowball, all right?  It's not going to stop here.  It's going to keep going.  If you don't prove to us that you didn't do it, if you don't take a polygraph, it's just going to keep pushing harder and harder, all right?  I don't want to -- I don't want you to just get arrested circumstantially and then have evidence build up afterwards, if that's the case, if that's the case.  If I'm wrong, I'll be the first one to admit it to you.  If you take a polygraph and you pass it, I will apologize to you.  That I give you my word.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  He can't pass it.

MR. PORCO:  Passing or not passing doesn't mean (inaudible three words.)


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Negative.  Talk to whoever you're going to tell it to (inaudible three words.)  All right?  The reason being is you can walk away from it any time, all right?

MR. PORCO:  The polygraph doesn't prove it.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  But I'm willing to --

MR. PORCO:  That's why I thought I'd better get a lawyer.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  But I'm willing to read it, all right?  I'm willing to accept it.  I'm telling you I'll accept it and I'll apologize to you.

MR. PORCO:  That nice, but it doesn't really mean a lot.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well, wait a minute.  If you're eliminated as a suspect, isn't that better?

MR. PORCO:  Obviously.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I mean -- I'm not lying to you about what was indicated today, I'm not.  And you know what, it ain't going to stop there.  All right.  Everything just keeps moving ahead.  It has to.  I don't -- I want to understand, okay?  I don't want to sit around and say, ah, he was an asshole or something like that.  I'm not going to do that because I haven't indicated -- I haven't seen that yet.  If you don't help me out here at some point, if you don't say something to me, it's just going to end up being all assumptions.

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible two words) at this point.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Is it possible you know somebody that would do something like this?

MR. PORCO:  Not that I can think of, no.  No.  I was cooperative for a reason.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  And I appreciate that, I really do.

MR. PORCO:  If I thought that you were going to find my DNA all over my parents' bodies then, you know, I wouldn't give it to you.  I'd wait for a court order.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well, you know what -- and I don't disagree with that, okay?  I don't disagree with that.  But why -- I mean, if I didn't have any other information right now, how could I sit here and even say anything to you like that?  I'm not lying to you, son.  It was what was said to me, what was indicated to me, to be more specific.

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.) 


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Like I said, today's medical miracles --

MR. RUDOLPH:  When is the last time you saw your -- when did you see your roommate?

MR. PORCO:  Today.

MR. RUDOLPH:  What about yesterday?

MR. PORCO:  Saw him yesterday.

MR. RINALDI:  About what time?

MR. PORCO:  In the morning when I got up (pause) Sunday?  I'm not sure now, ask him.

MR. RUDOLPH:  We did.  Well, I want to get your answer.

MR. PORCO:  Well, that's all I can remember specifically.

MR. RINALDI:  You don't remember what time yesterday? 

MR. PORCO:  No.

MR. RINALDI:  And what time did you see him today?

MR. PORCO:  About -- I don't know, after lunch.

MR. RINALDI:  After lunch you're considering twelve o'clock?


MR. PORCO:  When that kid was on my computer in my room, I saw him there and he was in my room doing a paper. 

MR. RUDOLPH:  Your roommate was?

MR. PORCO:  Yes.  He had a paper due this afternoon, (inaudible statement.)

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I'm going to tell you son, I wish you'd believe me.  I couldn't afford to lie to you.  I couldn't.  It would absolutely ruin me if I did, and I wouldn't dare -- how could I pick you out of the rest of your family or people -- anybody else that I was investigating.  How could I pick you out of there, all right?

MR. PORCO:  M-m h-m-m. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  And the only reason how I could is because it was indicated to me.  You see, in crimes of passion, we usually look into the family members first because that's just routine stuff.

MR. PORCO:  Obviously.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Or relationship, you know, something like that, okay, but I'm sorry to say that I mentioned everybody in the family and it was indicated that you had an involvement.


MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well, I wish I wasn't right.  I wish I wasn't saying this, all right, because I got a friggin' knot in my stomach, all right?  I don't like this at all, but I'm telling you the God's honest truth.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  You said your parents get along with you.  So we know they don't have a problem with you or have it out for you.

MR. PORCO:  Not at all.  They're very loving.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Your Dad has got life insurance maybe?

MR. PORCO:  We've been over this.  You both know he does.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  How much?

MR. PORCO:  I don't know the exact number.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Did you take any out on your parents?

MR. PORCO:  No.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  You didn't? 


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Son, I wish it wasn't this way, all right?  I mean it sincerely.  I really wish it wasn't, but this investigation is going to keep moving forward like a steamroller, all right?  It has to.  It just has to.  It's a capital offense, all right?

MR. PORCO:  I understand that.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  But I'm going to tell you that if a person makes a statement that something got out of hand in the beginning, it always goes better for that person, all right, because if they just don't say anything and the evidence keeps going forward, they eventually get arrested and they're found guilty, then it's -- it's worse.  It's not looked upon the same.

MR. PORCO:  I agree with that.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Exactly.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  That's why we're saying this would be your only shot to give any explanation as to what happened. 

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Whether shit went over

-- you went over there for whatever reason and all of a sudden you guys get in an argument, or it was something financially, or if your father

gets --

MR. PORCO:  You told me that already.


DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  -- pissed off with that school loan that you said --

MR. PORCO:  You told me they were killed while they were in bed.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  M-m h-m-m.

MR. PORCO:  So how would I be arguing with them if they were in bed?

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Not out of the realm of possibilities.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Maybe there was an argument at the foot of the bed or something first, maybe.  All right?

MR. PORCO:  I was 200 miles away in Rochester last night.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I'm saying that -- well, let me put to you this way.  In all honesty, there's enough blood there, which -- I mean, I could be somewhat confused, okay, because there's so much blood that maybe -- maybe somebody was downstairs.  Okay, there was an argument that ensued downstairs, and then the assault may have started downstairs and then went upstairs and then something else happened.  You know, I'm thinking it's one way or the other, but it's close probably to being the first way, but nevertheless, it happened within the house, all right?

MR. PORCO:  I understand.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  It's not a robbery type of thing.

MR. PORCO:  I understand that.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  Then the list gets very, very narrow of possibilities.  A burglar is not going to bother doing something like this.

MR. PORCO:  I agree.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  The only other one that was in organized crime is an uncle that's in prison right now.

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.&, nbsp; , Not tha, t I (inaudible three words) it.  I just mentioned it.  

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  But even at that, there's got to be a motive, right?

MR. PORCO:  True.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Unless it's a close member of the family.  Unless there's issues there, all right?  Emotional issues.


MR. PORCO:  Not me.  I love both my parents very much.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  And I want to understand that completely.

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible two words) killed them, (indecipherable three words).

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  You know what, son, I wish -- I wish I didn't know this.  I wish I didn't because it's killing me, all right?  Emotionally.  I knew your Dad a long time.

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  He's a good guy.  (Inaudible statement.) 

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  I'm going to talk to the DA.  (Inaudible two words) how they want to handle it.  As far as I'm concerned, he had his chance.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I don't know (inaudible two words).  I want to help you.  You know, this is -- these are -- these are things that can't be explained.

MR. PORCO:  I agree.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  There's no explanation sometimes, but they happen in any event.  We need to deal with this.


MR. PORCO:  It's your job, I know.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well -- yeah, but why should I care what happens, right?  Why should I?

MR. PORCO:  It's your job.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I'm just a flatfoot, right?

MR. PORCO:  It's your job.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well, it's my job, but I'm -- I'm feeling very compassionate here with this -- with this situation.

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  You know, for that -- for that reason, that's why I'm talking to you the way I am.  I, you know, I'm not yelling at you, I'm (inaudible four words), all right?  I'm just telling you the plain God's honest truth, and it kind of bothers me a little bit that you think I'm lying to you, but maybe that's a defense mechanism, I don't know.  I wouldn't -- I wouldn't dare lie to you.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Where's -- that's the prints you did?  I'm going to put them to SAFIS now, see if they match.


DETECTIVE RINALDI:  And then -- like case (inaudible two words) on the seat of my car and you can print that (inaudible two words).

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Front seat of your car?

DETECTIVE RINALDI:  Yeah, they are, passenger's side.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  All right, Christopher, like I said, I couldn't possibly lie to you about this.

MR. PORCO:  You guys can tell me whatever you want in here.  It's not going to matter.  I mean, you're going come back in 20 minutes and tell me the prints matched no matter if they do or not.  I know --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I mean, you may think that 15, 20 years ago, this is how it worked, but if we're --

MR. PORCO:  I think it's how it works now and if you think you have the person you want, you try and get a confession out of them.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well, now wait a minute, wait a minute.  Yeah, but I would have to have some reason to be talking to you specifically.

MR. PORCO:  And you think you do, and that's your (inaudible five words.) 


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  (Inaudible statement.)  Well, I told you -- I gave you the God's honest truth.  I told you what the reason was, but you won't believe me.

MR. PORCO:  I don't, you're right.  I'm sorry.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  All right.  So, there again, I asked you how would I pick you then.  I wouldn't dare.

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  How could I go all through all this and just say, listen, we're going to hammer this guy, all right?  I can't do that.  I have to have a reason.  You know, otherwise, I'd just be taking information from you, and then your brother comes in, I take information from him, which I have to anyways.

MR. PORCO:  Why did it take you guys 45 minutes to call me back?

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  45 minutes.  What do you mean?


MR. PORCO:  After I called the dispatcher and asked her what was going on, she said a detective would call me right back and it took 45 minutes.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well, I'm going to tell you -- I'm going to tell you another piece of truth.  There's only about three detectives in this office down here, all right?

MR. PORCO:  I understand that, but this is a pretty big deal.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I was the only one working at the time.  It took probably an hour and a half to get everybody into place from the time I got up there.  I was by myself for a while.  The rest of these guys were at their posts in school or whatever, all right?  I got them together, but it took me a few minutes, all right?  You know, one was on his day off and the other one was getting his teeth cleaned or something at the dentist.

MR. PORCO:  If you had broadcasted to the media that I was a wanted man or whatever the hell you said, it wouldn't have taken you 45 minutes to call me back if I was wanted.  I don't understand that.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I think you -- I think what the news -- what did the news media say?


MR. PORCO:  Armed and dangerous.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  We put out information that we wanted to talk to you in reference --

MR. PORCO:  To this.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  -- to an incident.

MR. PORCO:  Not just that.

DETECTIVE RINALDI:  We would never give information out like that. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Let me tell you something.

MR. PORCO:  Well, they were pretty liberal with it, I know that.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well, they were.  Yes, they are, and they're going to pay the price for it too because I'm going to go up there.

MR. PORCO:  That's the media.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  What right do they have to tell you? 


DETECTIVE RINALDI:  I mean, you seem to know a lot about police work.  You should know a lot about how the media reacts to things and how they formulate opinions or the hearsay, you know, and they'll broadcast it and leave it up to everybody else how it's interpreted, and that's how they operate because we would never give that information out like that. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Look it, right now what's bothering me is you think we're I'm lying about everything.

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  And I know that you're being honest about it too.

MR. PORCO:  H-m-m?

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  You're being honest with us.  You think we're just bald out -- face lying to you.

MR. PORCO:  I think you're lying about my mother, yes, I do.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  And you think we're lying about the fingerprints too.

MR. PORCO:  I don't doubt you have fingerprints.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay. 

MR. PORCO:  But I think that's -- I mean, you can't even tell that they match mine because that's (inaudible three words.)  Boy, either

way --


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well, do you understand that if that was found out afterwards that we're lying about it we'd have to pay a price on it?

MR. PORCO:  What price would you have to pay?

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Then anything that was said after that was inadmissible?

MR. PORCO:  It's your word against mine.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Let me tell you.  You think we're the only ones sitting here?  I'm telling you right now, son, I couldn't lie to you.  I couldn't, all right?  I may try and emphasize things.

MR. PORCO:  You've done that well.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well, you know -- you know why I've been so compassionate with you?  Because I'm really telling you the truth, all right?  I wish I hadn't heard this before from your Mom.  I wish I hadn't, all right?  I'm sorry that I did.  I really am, but this is what I know.  And what I told you before is that the investigation keeps going forward and it gets narrowing down, you know, thinner and thinner as to what direction it's going to go in, and as the crews come in, or when the evidence comes in, it's all put together.

MR. PORCO:  Okay.  And then --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  And then it's thrown before a room full of people, and at that point, it's decided.

MR. PORCO:  (Indecipherable one word) to what?

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well, it does.  I don't know, I'm not crazy about -- we're talking about the people that are in there voting, but that's just the way it is, but I am telling you the truth.  If I wasn't telling you the truth, I wouldn't be able to conduct business like this. 

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible four words) I would either apologize to you or --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well --

MR. PORCO:  -- be angry with you.  I'm sorry.  I'm sorry if I'm not taking your word for it.  I don't believe it.

DETECTIVE RINALDI:  There's a Sergeant there with him who -- when I was down at the hospital because I was down at the hospital with everybody, and I was right there with him, and that's what your mother said to him. 


MR. PORCO:  He told me she said it (inaudible two words.)

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Didn't say it, didn't say it, but indicated it.

MR. PORCO:  He told me he was at my house.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  What's your Social Security number?

MR. PORCO:  066-68-6087.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  How tall are you?

MR. PORCO:  6'2".

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  What's your middle initial?

MR. PORCO:  S.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Now, you're going to -- you're still going to attempt to take the test?  You just want to talk to somebody?

MR. PORCO:  After I talk to (inaudible two words) yeah.  It's not going to be tonight obviously.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well, I wouldn't want it tonight, all right?  It wouldn't be fair.

MR. PORCO:  It just bothers me that he told me my mother wanted me out of my house and he told me he was at the hospital just now.


DETECTIVE RINALDI:  No.  I said it was at the house.  He didn't say the hospital.  I mean, I was down at the hospital with -- with everybody, and I think I misinterpreted.  (Inaudible statement.) 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well, I know that he's never been arrested before.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Right.  Can we put this down here?

DETECTIVE:  Agency -- our control number?

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  00?

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Yeah, yeah, yeah.  He wasn't arrested, so it's an inquiry. 

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  What do you want to put here?

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  A pair of latents.  All right, look it.  I'm telling you the God's honest truth.  If you take it, pass it, I will apologize to you. 

MR. PORCO:  Well --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well, and I'm only going by a couple things here, right?  That's all I got, all right? 


DETECTIVE COX:  Want to sign that out for me and take it up and have it checked right now (inaudible three to four words)?

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  (Inaudible two words) the information on here?

DETECTIVE COX:  No.  If it's on the sheet, I can (inaudible three words.)

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Yeah.  All right, if I give you a way to get a hold of me --

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  It's on the seat of his car.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Can you --

DETECTIVE COX:  Out in his car.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Let me know tomorrow sometime.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  (Inaudible statement.)

MR. PORCO:  I'll give you a call.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I appreciate it.  All right, let me give you a card.  I mean, even if you were to take it -- I wouldn't give it to you tonight anyways.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  I have to speak to you.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Yeah, all right.  (Inaudible statement.)


DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  What I'm going to do, Chris, is just run those prints up.  Let them compare, and then we'll bring you back down to the hospital, all right?

MR. PORCO:  Fine.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Mind hanging out waiting?

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I'll give you my cell.  I'll leave it on the whole time.

MR. PORCO:  You want me to call you?

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Yeah, please.

MR. PORCO:  When?


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well, call me sometime tomorrow and let me know, because you've got to give me a little time to set things up.  I'll tell you exactly what it is, all right, just so you know going in.  What they'll do is they're going to ask you a series of generalization questions that -- they ask for obvious -- they look for obvious lies and obvious truths so they can start comparing things, all right?  And when they get the pattern down pretty good, then they start getting into specifically what you're there for.  They can't waiver or go off and, you know, ask for a lot of different (inaudible two words), all right?  Just specifically what it is, okay?  And I wish -- I wish I didn't have to say to you -- I wish I didn't, and you don't know how much I wish because, I mean, the whole thing is, you know (inaudible one word), but I am going to tell you that no matter how it goes, the investigation goes forward.

MR. PORCO:  I hope it does.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well, I told you before and I told your relative in the hospital there, we'll close the case.

MR. PORCO:  Good.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  We will, all right?  And the reason why I talked to you and I told you the reason why and the reason why I ask you these questions ahead of time is because I thought there would be some explanation, and if we look for an explanation, sometimes when you go in, it's (inaudible two words), all right, because otherwise, it's just a -- people make assumptions.  And you know how minds work, human minds work?

MR. PORCO:  I do.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  People love to make assumptions.  You know?  It's like the girl that gets raped.  Ah, she asked for it, right?  This is what you get all the time, all right?

MR. PORCO:  My personal opinion (inaudible two words.)                  

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  People don't know a Goddamn thing what other people go through, all right, but that's what the -- that's what people do, they make assumptions.  I didn't want people to make assumptions.  I'll be back.

MR. PORCO:  Is there a rest room around here?

DETECTIVE RINALDIYeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Christopher, this is Senior Investigator Williams from the State Police.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  How are you, Chris?

MR. PORCO:  How you doing?

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  I'm sorry to hear about your parents.

MR. PORCO:  Thank you.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  We're trying to connect all the dots here, all right?

MR. PORCO:  I understand.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I asked you about if you had any money or -- and you had indicated that you may have fabricated some statements to a couple of people.

MR. PORCO:  Before, yes.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay. 

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  How come you -- what's the reasoning behind that, to impress people?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.  (Inaudible three words), I've done it before.  It's nothing new.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You've got a lot of (inaudible two words) lying about your financial?  Did that get you anywhere? 

MR. PORCO:  Well, no.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  No?  Get you the chicks?

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well, what about the ex-girlfriend there that you saw before you came down to Bethlehem that you had the bagel with?  You told her that you were meeting with real estate people for property out on the outer banks?

MR. PORCO:  M-m h-m-m. 


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  What was that all about?

MR. PORCO:  Same thing.  (Inaudible statement.)  I really have an interest in purchasing on the outer banks.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  So that was just kind of a -- a statement to make yourself look cool or better or?

MR. PORCO:  Exactly.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Are you -- is your family or you having financial problems?

MR. PORCO:  No.  You know, I don't have a lot of money, I mean -- but nothing that can't be solved.  I have to get a job.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Yeah.  And has your money situation deteriorated over the past two or three years?  College or high school or?

MR. PORCO:  Not as much cash flow as I had in high school.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  What about your parents' situation?

MR. PORCO:  They're making probably more than -- well, about the same, I think.  It's a State salary.


INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  And they pay for your schooling?

MR. PORCO:  Yes.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  And they've already paid freshman year?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Sophomore year?

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Do they -- do they expect any level of like A's or B's in order to get this money or are you just --

MR. PORCO:  It's not an ultimatum.  They expect good grades.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  They don't want to waste their money?

MR. PORCO:  Exactly.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  They don't want you out there (inaudible two words.)

MR. PORCO:  Not at all.  I'm not a great student.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You're a smart kid.

MR. PORCO:  I just have to try harder.


INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You're a smart kid.  Everybody I talk to -- I've talked to a number of people, and they all say you're a smart kid.  You just maybe have other interests or --

MR. PORCO:  I don't enjoy school work, I guess.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  So that was -- that was part of --

MR. PORCO:  I'm not failing anything.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Well, part of your parents and your agreement is that they would fund your education as long as you perform?

MR. PORCO:  There was no agreement like that, no.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  It was an understanding?

MR. PORCO:  It was basically get good grades.  It wasn't like an ultimatum.  I mean,  they told me before that, you know, you know, if I didn't do well, then I'd go to a State school.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Do you like that place down here?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah, it's fine.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Would you rather go to a State school?

MR. PORCO:  Some ways, yes.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Why?


MR. PORCO:  Considerably cheaper.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Less of a strain on the relationship with your parents, right?

MR. PORCO:  Well, less of a strain on them financially, yeah.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Yeah.  What's it cost to go to the University of Rochester?

MR. PORCO:  About 40.  We're paying about 30 a year or so.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Per semester?

MR. PORCO:  Per year.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Per year.  You had an understanding, whatever you want to call it, that you ‑‑ they would pay for your schooling either -- how would they pay for it?

MR. PORCO:  Federal loans.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  They take out loans in their name?

MR. PORCO:  M-m h-m-m. 

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  The parent?

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  And they would pay it back?

MR. PORCO:  Yes.


INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  As long as you got good grades?  As long as you applied yourself?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah, because there was no actual -- it wasn't worded like that ever.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  M-m h-m-m.  It was an understanding?

MR. PORCO:  It was (inaudible two words) we're giving you this, do well.     

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Okay.  And what happened?

MR. PORCO:  It was all right.  It was nothing stellar.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Freshman year, what was your grade point average?

MR. PORCO:  First semester, not good.  (Inaudible statement.)

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You what?

MR. PORCO:  Had mono freshman year, first semester.  Again, that semester I did have a DPA.  I made up most of that stuff.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You made it up?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  What do you mean?


MR. PORCO:  By either overloading the next semester or I took classes at Hudson Valley in the summer.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Of your freshman year?

MR. PORCO:  Yes, in my freshman year.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  So you got your grade point up to what at the end of second semester freshman year?

MR. PORCO:  I'm not sure what it was at that point.  Low 2's, I would think, mid-2's.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  And did that meet your parents' --

MR. PORCO:  No, not at all.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  They weren't happy?

MR. PORCO:  No.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Okay.  Do you live at home during the summer?

MR. PORCO:  Correct.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  How was that?  A little tense?

MR. PORCO:  No.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  They just shelled out 30, 40 grand, and you didn't do well.


MR. PORCO:  No, I didn't do well.  I guess I always had an excuse.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  So they must -- (inaudible two words) you must have been -- they were disappointed?

MR. PORCO:  They were not pleased.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Yeah.

MR. PORCO:  I mean, they weren't yelling at me everyday or anything.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  No, but there was probably tension.  They expected you to do better.

MR. PORCO:  They did.  They know I'm capable of it.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  So they were kind of let down?

MR. PORCO:  I think at first, yeah.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Disappointed?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Knowing that you're a smart kid and you should be doing better.

MR. PORCO:  True.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You went to Hudson Valley over the summer?


MR. PORCO:  Yup.  I did one class my freshman -- freshman summer.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  One class at Hudson Valley?

MR. PORCO:  Except for I'm taking four other ones.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Over --

MR. PORCO:  At Hudson Valley.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Each time over the summer?

MR. PORCO:  This past spring, I took four at Hudson Valley.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Spring of your sophomore year?

MR. PORCO:  Yes.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Four classes?

MR. PORCO:  Yes.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  What's your major?

MR. PORCO:  Economics.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  So you went back last year, this time last year, as a sophomore or did you not have enough credits?

MR. PORCO:  I was considered a sophomore at that point.


INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  How did that go?  Your parents pay for that again?

MR. PORCO:  Yup.  It went better.  (Inaudible statement.)  I left after first semester.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You left?

MR. PORCO:  Left school.  I mean, he had hinted at as a discipline issue, but to my knowledge, there wasn't one.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  What do you mean there wasn't one?

MR. PORCO:  Some friends and I participated in burning a couch on a hill and there was all this snow.  (Inaudible statement) on fire, and I was involved.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  So you got caught?

MR. PORCO:  Well, I didn't.  That's the thing.  I never got -- no one ever spoke to me about it at all ever.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Oh, you weren't --

MR. PORCO:  Right.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You never had a hearing or anything?

MR. PORCO:  No, nothing at all, no.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Did anybody else?


MR. PORCO:  No.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  No one ever got disciplined for that?

MR. PORCO:  To my knowledge, no.  I'm still friends with the people that we did it with.  To my knowledge, nobody ever got in trouble for it.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  So you burned a couch on a hill?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.  It was a stupid thing to do.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  It wasn't inside a building?

MR. PORCO:  No, no.  It was -- it was in the middle of a huge hill (inaudible three words.)

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  On campus?

MR. PORCO:  Yes.  Across from my building.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Were you drunk at the time?

MR. PORCO:  No, actually, I was sober.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Get out.

MR. PORCO:  It was the night before we left.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Now, if I was to do something like, I think I'd say I was drunk and didn't know any better. 


MR. PORCO:  I think half of them didn't think it would actually work.  I mean, it was liquor.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Yeah, alcohol and fire don't mix.  You should know that from your days at Bethlehem High School.

MR. PORCO:  True, but I didn't think that (inaudible five words.)  You know, it wasn't like it was University property or anything.  It was a thrown out piece of junk. 

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Yeah.

MR. PORCO:  I agree, it wasn't smart.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Fire department come?

MR. PORCO:  People said they did.  I never saw them come.  I don't seem to -- I mean, it went out on its own pretty much.  It just burned down.  I really don't recall.  I didn't see them.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Now, you say you left your sophomore year, first semester.  How come?

MR. PORCO:  After the first semester.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You completed your first semester?


MR. PORCO:  Yes.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Why did you leave?

MR. PORCO:  Grades.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Were you on probation at this point when you started that couch on --

MR. PORCO:  I was on a year-long probation after my freshman year, first semester, because of my grades that semester.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  So at the end of your freshman year, first semester --

MR. PORCO:  I was put on academic probation.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  -- they put you on probation?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.  Which lasts for a year.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Which lasts for a year.  So say from like January?

MR. PORCO:  And they had decided -- the school decided that I hadn't met my requirements for probation, and I had met with counselors and stuff --

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  All right.  So, they gave you a year.  So, at the end of your second


-- your first semester sophomore year, how (inaudible two words)?

MR. PORCO:  I do okay (inaudible one word) junior year -- freshman year, excuse me.  First semester, junior year, I didn't do horribly.  I had like a low two.  (Inaudible statement.)  I hadn't met with the person I was supposed to meet with as often they would have liked.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  This is your junior?

MR. PORCO:  This is first semester.  This is first semester sophomore year.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Got you.

MR. PORCO:  And they decided I should take a semester off and think about things and/or work or --

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Go somewhere else?

MR. PORCO:  You know, to school somewhere else and come back if I wanted to, which I didworked and school, Hudson Valley, (inaudible two words) spring.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Are you on a scholarship when you were there freshman year?

MR. PORCO:  No.  There's a --

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Just grants and aid?

MR. PORCO:  Yes, yeah.


INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  What about ROTC?

MR. PORCO:  ROTC does -- I didn't apply for ROTC scholarships to being with.  Normally, you apply for them before you're a freshman.  I never did that.  My brother did that.  He was accepted into it.  I just kind of joined -- they have a college program you can join, and it's basically a scholarship, but you have to have good grades, which I didn't have at this point.  So I left after my first semester of sophomore year.  I went and I talked to people at ROTC and they said, you know, if you come back, you can talk to us and see what we can do.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  So, you were in ROTC all your freshman year?

MR. PORCO:  And half my sophomore year.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  And the first semester you stopped going?

MR. PORCO:  Correct.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  All freshman year, ROTC.  First semester sophomore year, ROTC.  Now, burned the house -- burned the couch and you got on probation from January, '02? 


MR. PORCO:  Correct.  No, '03.  Graduated in '02.  In January, 03.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  '03, right.  That's right.  To '04, you were on probation?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Now, ROTC -- what did ROTC have to say about this couch thing?

MR. PORCO:  To my knowledge, they -- he just told me they knew about it.  I didn't know they had any idea about it.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Did you -- did you get thrown out of ROTC?

MR. PORCO:  I'm no longer in ROTC.  I wasn't thrown out for a disciplinary reason.  I was throw out (inaudible two words) --

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Did they (inaudible two words)?

MR. PORCO:  No.  I left ROTC because I was no longer enrolled at the school.  You can't be in ROTC if you're not enrolled in the college.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Right.


MR. PORCO:  There was no like get out of ROTC, you burned the couch.  There was none of that.  There's procedures they follow to throw someone out of ROTC.  None of that was done with me.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  They're pretty strict though, aren't they?

MR. PORCO:  Extremely.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  I mean, if they even hear you're involved in --

MR. PORCO:  Oh, totally.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  (Inaudible statement.)

MR. PORCO:  I would have heard about it.  I mean, I think, if they knew I had done something like that.  (Inaudible two words) -- well, they're pretty lenient with stupid college stuff like that.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Some stuff.

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.  There are things that are excusable, but --

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Right.  Someone with arson.  (Inaudible statement.)  I mean, I'm just trying to think of --

MR. PORCO:  I know, I know.  It didn't seem like it was --

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  -- the way that they would look at it.


MR. PORCO:  -- a felony at the time.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You know what I mean?  ROTC -- I'm thinking that ROTC would look at it --

MR. PORCO:  And the bottom line, I would have heard something about it.  You know, they would have --

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Sent you a letter.

MR. PORCO:  They would have had a hearing.  It's called PRB. 

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You didn't get that?

MR. PORCO:  I didn't have any of that.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Okay.  So you left ROTC at the end of the first semester yourself?

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  (Inaudible statement.)  And then you went back.  You took four classes over this past summer?

MR. PORCO:  Yes.  Well, I took them in the fall.  I mean, the spring, excuse me.


INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  (Inaudible statement.)  Now, at this time, your parents have got to be pretty upset.  You got a year probation.  You get a year, really, to turn yourself around.

MR. PORCO:  They were upset.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  And you didn't turn yourself around?

MR. PORCO:  The understanding was that I would help pay for at least part of this year and -- let me explain.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  What, of the junior year?

MR. PORCO:  Yes, but let me explain.  I applied to get back into school this summer, and was accepted to return to school based on my work and performance at Hudson Valley, and came back to school and went and talked to ROTC, and they said there is a two-year ROTC scholarship program that you could apply for.  Come back in a couple of months, get an application and (inaudible one word) grade (inaudible one word) semester and then we'll send out your application.  So, the hope was that I -- after this semester, I would be getting a scholarship.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  (Inaudible statement.)


MR. PORCO:  Yes, exactly.  That was the hope.  There was a general understanding between my parents and I that if I didn't get a ROTC scholarship that I wouldn't be able to stay at U of R, and I accept that.  I feel that (inaudible five to six words).

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  So did it come?

MR. PORCO:  Did what come?

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  The ROTC scholarship.    

MR. PORCO:  I won't know until December, late December.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Oh, really?  That late?

MR. PORCO:  Well, they have to see grades from this semester which is still going on.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  So, okay. 

MR. PORCO:  So --

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You have to wait until this semester is over, see how you're doing?

MR. PORCO:  Correct.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  How are you doing?

MR. PORCO:  I'm actually doing well this semester.


INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You got?

MR. PORCO:  I'll be above a three this semester.  Hopefully, I'll get it.  I don't know.  It's up in the air.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  So you're waiting on a ROTC letter?

MR. PORCO:  Well, it hasn't been -- I haven't seen an application yet.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Oh, you haven't?

MR. PORCO:  Oh, no.  That's not done until December.  (Inaudible three words) December to December.  It's not done until you get your grades.  So whenever I get my final grades and send it in.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  (Inaudible three words) you send it in?

MR. PORCO:  Exactly.  The ROTC people will send it for me, actually.  They won't send it in until they see that I'm qualified.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Any other ways besides academic?

MR. PORCO:  There's a physical aspect.  I've never had a problem with that.  Your attitude counts.


INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Yeah, character.

MR. PORCO:  Exactly.  I mean, they wouldn't have even offered me that if they thought that I was a problem.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Who -- who offered you that?

MR. PORCO:  I talked to a guy, Lieutenant Mancell.  He's the Lieutenant of the unit, and we were discussing my options.  He really didn't know what they were.  So he went and talked to his secretary (inaudible statement.)  I think her name is Arlene Stricker, and she actually brought up the two-year scholarship program and told me what I needed to do.  (Inaudible statement.)

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Get good grades.

MR. PORCO:  Exactly. 

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  No disciplinary --


MR. PORCO:  That's what I would assume.  So, I would come to her in December and give her all my information.  The application would go to the Commander of the Unit who would look at it and see whether it was worthy or not.  He said he would send it out, if not, he would say, sorry, you know.  That's when, you know, I would end up leaving school.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Right.  Your freshman year --

MR. PORCO:  M-m h-m-m.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  -- your parents took out a loan?

MR. PORCO:  Yes.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Both?

MR. PORCO:  They took out a loan for the year, I believe.  It was a Federal Plus Loan, I don't know exactly, probably about 31, $32,000, something like that, I think.  I don't have the exact amounts.  (Inaudible statement.)

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Right.  Sophomore year?

MR. PORCO:  Same deal.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  One semester?

MR. PORCO:  One semester.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Your parents did that?

MR. PORCO:  Yes.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  So you're talking, what would you say, 40, 30?

MR. PORCO:  30.


INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  And it's going to be 15 about? 

MR. PORCO:  Yep.  It's like 15.5 or something, I think, per semester.  I don't really know.  It's probably gone up something per year, ten percent or something.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  And the second semester you went to Hudson Valley?

MR. PORCO:  Correct.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You were asked to leave?

MR. PORCO:  Yup.  More or less, yes.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Because of your grades?

MR. PORCO:  Correct.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Any other reason why you were asked to leave?

MR. PORCO:  The first I heard, you know, they didn't even know anything about the couch thing. 

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  (Inaudible statement.)


MR. PORCO:  I don't think that had any bearing.  I would have had a disciplinary hearing of some kind.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  (Inaudible statement.) 

MR. PORCO:  I'm not sure where you got the information from.  I don't know who you spoke with.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  And junior year?

MR. PORCO:  Current semester.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  I mean for this semester.

MR. PORCO:  Originally, I was going to pay for it.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  How were you going to do that?

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement) I co-signed with my father.  And when I got the loan, after he had given me the paperwork and everything, he had realized that it was the

-- it was too much.  It was supposed to be for a semester and it was for a year.  So he was like, you know, if you're going to get a loan, we might as well just get a Federal loan with like a lower interest rate.  That's what he ended up doing.


INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  This loan may be really starting to get -- what kind of loan was that?

MR. PORCO:  Through Citi Bank.  It was a student loan.  It was a low interest rate, but it wasn't as low as the Federal loan one would be.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Guaranteed student loan?

MR. PORCO:  Exactly.  So last week, he --

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  So, you applied for a student loan for a whole year?

MR. PORCO:  My understanding was it was going to be for a semester, but, you know, it probably got screwed up.  I mean, I --  they got a letter in the mail saying congratulations, you're approved for your $30,000 loan.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  (Inaudible statement.)

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  (Inaudible statement.)


MR. PORCO:  So, at which point, they emailed me, and they're like, they're like look, you know, we're not going to do a $30,000 loan at this interest rate.  I'm going to call the school and that loan company and say, you know, refund the money to the loan company and we will get a Federal Plus Loan out, which they did.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  When did this happen?  When did you get this letter?  Or when did the letter come out to the house?

MR. PORCO:  Two weeks ago.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  And so they were kind of upset?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah, they were upset.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  They were surprised?

MR. PORCO:  They were surprised, and they didn't know what they were getting.  They assumed it was taken care of.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  And (inaudible one word) communication between you?

MR. PORCO:  Definitely, and shortly after that, they emailed me saying, we'll get a Federal Loan this semester.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  How did that, how -- let me just step back here for a second.  When he gets this letter, is it a complete surprise?

MR. PORCO:  Well, he knew about the loan.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  And how --


MR. PORCO:  He sent me -- he had sent me lots of paperwork.  You know, pay stubs and an employment verification letter and all this other  stuff from his job.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  He -- he was assuming a $15,000 --

MR. PORCO:  He was assuming it would be considerably less than the amount that it was approved for.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Why is that?  Why did he only want to do a half semester, half a year?

MR. PORCO:  Well, the whole idea was that the loan was in my name, he was co-signing it, so they wouldn't be burdened with the actual loan, but after he saw $30,000, he's like, no, that's not going to happen, and --

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Well, why though?

MR. PORCO:  Because it was $30,000 at that interest rate.  I mean, I can take the loan over from them when I  graduate.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Well, the first loan is a Plus Loan?

MR. PORCO:  Yes.


INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  And the second

one --

MR. PORCO:  Is also a Plus Loan.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  -- is a Plus Loan.  And what was this one?  

MR. PORCO:  It was a Citi Bank loan, a regular --

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  (Inaudible four words) like a bank loan?

MR. PORCO:  Exactly.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  A student loan guaranteed by the (inaudible two words.)

MR. PORCO:  I'm not sure, actually.  It's a considerably higher interest rate.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Yeah, well -- why did you go that route instead of going the --

MR. PORCO:  Students can't get Federal Loans.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Not without a co-signer?

MR. PORCO:  Well, the Federal Plus Loan is for parents.  It's not for students.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Yeah.


MR. PORCO:  There are almost no options for people like me to get a loan unless it's through a private loan company.  Or if you're a, you know, poverty level type thing, which I'm not.  You know, I didn't qualify for student -- for financial aid or anything.  So I assume -- I had figured, you know, I'll do that -- at least I know that -- I figured that -- I kind of (inaudible two words) little later from them, get a lower interest rate, it will save money in the long run.  That's what they did and they faxed the paperwork over.  (Inaudible statement.)

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Did you tell them you were paying the bank loan then?

MR. PORCO:  Oh, yeah.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  And originally they had no problem with that? 

MR. PORCO:  Not for the smaller amount.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Right.  They had no problem with that even though the rate was high?


MR. PORCO:  They didn't have a problem with it.  They didn't -- they didn't know what the rate was going to be.  I explained to them that it would probably be prime, it was prime rate.  They weren't really warm to the idea.  They kind of (inaudible two words), I think.  They were saying it was a five and a quarter percent, whatever it was, and I don't think he was happy about it, so they decided to substitute it with a Federal Loan.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Now, when you say not too happy --

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  I mean, was he fuming?

MR. PORCO:  I didn't actually speak with him at that point.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  How did you communicate with him?

MR. PORCO:  You know --

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You guys still talk on the phone?

MR. PORCO:  We do. 

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  (Inaudible statement?)

MR. PORCO:  I haven't talked to him in about a week a and half or so, probably, it's been a while.  


INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  What about two weeks ago, this letter comes in saying you had a five and a quarter percent interest --

MR. PORCO:  M-m h-m-m. 

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  -- on a $30,000 loan.

MR. PORCO:  Exactly.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  He just fucking hits the ceiling.

MR. PORCO:  Well, he was like, you know, he was like, we're not going to do this.  And I understand.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Do you --

MR. PORCO:  I would rather -- I would rather have the loan in my name personally.  I'd rather not burden them with any more, you know, type of loans, but it's his decision.  He made it, so it's fine.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  But he's the co-signer?

MR. PORCO:  True.  I wouldn't be able to get a loan of that size without a co-signer.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Right.  So he's financially responsible if you should --


MR. PORCO:  Oh, definitely.  If I default on the loan, he's responsible.  Yeah, definitely.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  So he's saying no way.  You ain't strapping me with this $30,000 loan.

MR. PORCO:  Yup.  Basically, yeah.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Because you haven't been proving yourself --

MR. PORCO:  Basically, yeah.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  -- for one thing.

MR. PORCO:  I'm sure that had an impact on it.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  So he's thinking he's throwing money out the window while you're over there drinking?

MR. PORCO:  I don't think he thought that.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  (Inaudible statement.)  You know what I'm saying?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You know.

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  He's not too happy.

MR. PORCO:  He would have rather done it his way, which he did.


INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  And you would have rather done it this way, because it makes you responsible for the loan?

MR. PORCO:  Well, yeah.  I mean, I would rather be responsible for it, but I can't control it.  If you want to do that, it's fine.  His choice.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Were you upset at that?

MR. PORCO:  No.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  No? 

MR. PORCO:  I mean --

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  He just tells you to give me back my friggin' 30 grand.

MR. PORCO:  Well, he was replacing it with, you know, money he was getting from the Federal government.  It wasn't like he was stiffing -- like he was like, I'm not paying for (inaudible three words.)

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Right, but he's also at the same time telling you, I'm not paying this 30 grand.

MR. PORCO:  You bet.   Well, true.  True, but I --

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  I'm paying 15 --


MR. PORCO:  True, but I understand where he's coming from.  I understand it.  It's a high interest rate, and he didn't want to pay it and he didn't want to have to, you know, deal with it, so.  That's perfectly fine with me.  Like I said, it's his decision.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Is he a domineering guy?

MR. PORCO:  Not at all.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Well, it sounds like the way you're speaking about him that he kind of gets his own way.

MR. PORCO:  Well, financially, yeah.  I don't have a position to argue with him over this kind of thing when he's paying for it.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Well, do you feel your position is -- is right?  Did you articulate that, you know, you're --

MR. PORCO:  In this case --

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  -- that you were bargaining from a position of strength?  Did you feel he was bargaining from a position of strength?


MR. PORCO:  Not entirely.  You know, the fact that I wanted to be responsible for it in a way, you know, it was probably more financially reasonable.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You were trying to prove yourself as a man and say, look it, I can do this.  This is me.

MR. PORCO:  Not so much that.  It's just I didn't want them to have to pay for it.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Did he understand that?

MR. PORCO:  Oh, yeah.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Or did he just

say --

MR. PORCO:  No, they understood that, and they were -- you know, they appreciated that, it's not what they wanted to do.  It's okay with me.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Sounded like if -- I mean, in one breath, it sounds like, you know, he was kind of --


MR. PORCO:  When he saw -- when he got the letter and saw the interest rate and saw the amount it was for, he was unhappy.  He was upset, but he -- you know, he doesn't stay upset for long.  He realized that, you know, it's reversible and you can change things and he did.  And he did that day.  The school didn't have the money for probably an hour.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Oh, really?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  They didn't cash the check or anything?

MR. PORCO:  No.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  (Inaudible statement.)

MR. PORCO:  They did a swap basically.  They took the money from Citi Bank and gave it back and took money Federal government pays for the school.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Right.  So they basically put you on a short string, and they said, look it, you're going to go semester by semester.  We want to see how -- how you're --

MR. PORCO:  Well, not so much that.  It's more of how I want to pay for it.  If it didn't work out, you know, I didn't have the resources to do it, obviously, I can't get my own loan for 30 grand.


INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  (Inaudible statement), right?

MR. PORCO:  H-m-m?

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Right?  They kind of wanted you to take it a step at a time, semester at a time?

MR. PORCO:  Oh, yeah.  You know, I really did believe that if I had done poorly this semester and I didn't get a scholarship, they would have said, go to a State school.  You know, I was willing to accept that.  I'm in the hole for a considerable amount of money.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Yeah, I would think.

MR. PORCO:  Oh, yeah.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  (Inaudible statement.)

MR. PORCO:  It's very expensive.  I understand that.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You're in the hole 60 grand?

MR. PORCO:  Exactly.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  I don't know how much money your parents make or how much -- you have an older brother, right?


MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Does he have -- is he in the same or similar situation as you are as far as loans?

MR. PORCO:  No, he doesn't have any.  He did ROTC from the beginning, and was just above the level of, you know, getting money from all kinds of -- he was in a really hard major.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  (Inaudible statement.)

MR. PORCO:  Electrical Engineer.  He's very intelligent.  He's graduated.  He's in the Navy now.  So he doesn't have any loans or anything.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  So they just have yours ‑‑

MR. PORCO:  Yup.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  -- to pay for?  I don't know how much money your parents make, so I don't know what this means to them.

MR. PORCO:  Combined they make like, $180- a year, probably.  Not very much money (inaudible four to five words).  I don't really know for sure.


INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  But they wanted you to pay for your student loans?

MR. PORCO:  The first semester I wanted to.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Who's going to pay back these?

MR. PORCO:  Well, they told me they would -- they were going to pay for them.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  They were going to help or pay for the whole thing?

MR. PORCO:  Pay for the whole thing.  You know, if I had the resources when I graduated, I would definitely help them with it.  They had taken on this burden.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  What was your reason for coming back this weekend?

MR. PORCO:  To visit my girlfriend.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You were going to discuss this?

MR. PORCO:  No, my girlfriend.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Your father didn't email you saying come --


MR. PORCO:  He did.  Well, he emailed me on Friday morning.  I didn't see it until I got back.  Um, it should be in my file.  I don't remember, but he wasn't saying, are you coming home.  He said it would be a good weekend, you know, come and we can talk.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You didn't see it until when?

MR. PORCO:  H-m-m?

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You didn't see that until when?

MR. PORCO:  I'm trying to think when I saw it.  It was either yesterday or today.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  But you didn't leave early Friday though.

MR. PORCO:  No.  I didn't check my email that day, that morning.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  What time did he send it to you?

MR. PORCO:  Like nine something, I think.  When he got to work.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  And you didn't leave until the afternoon?

MR. PORCO:  True.  I didn't check it.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  He sent you an email from work?

MR. PORCO:  Yes.


INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  (Inaudible statement.)

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  And it said what?

MR. PORCO:  Well, it was like, let me know if you're coming home this weekend.  It would be good to talk.  (Inaudible statement.)

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  About?

MR. PORCO:  He didn't say specifically.  It just said come home.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Well, do you have outstanding issues?

MR. PORCO:  No.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  (Inaudible statement.)

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.  We do talk about the financial situation, but I hadn't seen him in a while and talked to him in a while, so.  And it would have been good to see him. 

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You didn't talk to him -- well, you said you talked to him a couple weeks ago?

MR. PORCO:  Well, true, but that was a while, you know, I usually talk to him once a week at least.


INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  So, since the money situation, since the letter came in the mail, you hadn't emailed him since then?

MR. PORCO:  We emailed.  We haven't spoke on the phone, you know, a few times and stuff.  I don't know the exact date or anything like that.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  When was the last time you spoke on the phone?

MR. PORCO:  Week and a half ago, maybe.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Around the same time period when the letter came?

MR. PORCO:  Oh, before all that.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Before that?

MR. PORCO:  M-m h-m-m. 

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  So you hadn't spoken since the letter came?

MR. PORCO:  Not on the phone, no.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Not on the phone?

MR. PORCO:  No.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Just through email?

MR. PORCO:  Correct.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  And how do you know how upset he was?  Was he putting it in all capitals?


MR. PORCO:  Judging by the tone of the letter, you can tell, and I know him very well and I know how he reacts to things.  If you read it, you'll be able to tell it too.  He was upset, but more concerned than upset.  He wasn't angry at me.  He was just like, you know, what the hell.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  (Inaudible statement.)

MR. PORCO:  Exactly.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Disappointed?

MR. PORCO:  I think more so, yeah.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Again?

MR. PORCO:  At this point -- well, surprised and this way, you know, (inaudible three to four words.)

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You let him down?

MR. PORCO:  Well, I emailed him and told him what I thought had happened, and shortly after that he, you know, told the school to give him the money back and he put a Federal lo, an in.<, /P>

I, NVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Did he know you were going to that?


MR. PORCO:  Emailed and told me he was doing that.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Just taking the money away?

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)  Refund the money to the Citi Bank and getting a Federal Loan instead was all the email said.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  And you had no problem with that?

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)  Beside the fact that they were taking out more loans, no, I didn't.  I mean, I know the stakes.  I know I had to do well in order to stay at school, other than that.  That's how it is.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Do you think you drink a lot, Chris?

MR. PORCO:  I don't think anymore than the average college student.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Well, what about for you though?

MR. PORCO:  For me?

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  More than you used to?  Have you increased your alcohol consumption lately?

MR. PORCO:  This year, yeah.


INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  What do you attribute that to?

MR. PORCO:  Living at the fraternity.  Seriously, I mean, people are drinking every night of the week.  I always have to get away from it.  The past two years, I don't to go anywhere near it, so.  I've been a part of it still, but I haven't been near it.  (Inaudible statement.)  You live with it, it's a lot different.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  How long have you been in the fraternity?

MR. PORCO:  First semester, freshman year I joined.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  So you've been consuming alcohol since then?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  More a regular basis as time went on?

MR. PORCO:  Pretty consistent through Freshman and Sophomore years I think.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Drunk two times a week, four times a week?


MR. PORCO:  Between two and four, I would think.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  (Inaudible statement.)

MR. PORCO:  Not necessarily drunk.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You would like have a half keg right on the floor up there or no?

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible three words) kegs at school.  You know, I drink on Saturday nights, but I didn't get drunk, you know.           

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  When was the last time you were drunk?

MR. PORCO:  I would say Thursday.  I'm not sure.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Thursday?

MR. PORCO:  Either Thursday or last weekend.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Now, when I say drunk, what -- how do you interpret drunk?

MR. PORCO:  I mean, not like throwing up or anything, nothing like that, you know, happy.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Or a buzz?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.  I mean, I've only vomited from alcohol like three times in my life.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  What do you drink?


MR. PORCO:  Mostly beer.  (Inaudible statement), liquor occasionally too.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  This year, through the year, year drinking a little more?

MR. PORCO:  Yes.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Can you explain why?

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible two words) the fraternity was definitely the reason. 

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You weren't living in the fraternity house last year?

MR. PORCO:  No, or the year before.  Actually, there's four in a building.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Right.

MR. PORCO:  It's just a completely different lifestyle.  You know, I drank a lot more in the beginning of this year than I am now and more work (inaudible one word) to do.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  People drink for various reasons.

MR. PORCO:  Sure.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  What reason would cause somebody to drink?

MR. PORCO:  They drink to have fun usually.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Okay.  What else?

MR. PORCO:  Boredom.


INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Okay. 

MR. PORCO:  Drink because maybe they're depressed or something.  Drink to escape reality.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  There you go.  Depressed, depression.  Things aren't going right, right?

MR. PORCO:  I don't consider myself, you know, near being depressed.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Little bummed out?

MR. PORCO:  Not really.  (Inaudible statement) usually.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You must be thinking about how you wasted a year and a half or your schooling, right?  Wasted people's money?

MR. PORCO:  True.  Things work out.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Do you get that at home?

MR. PORCO:  Do I get it at home?

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Yes.

MR. PORCO:  You blasted your way through our money?                               

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Yeah.

MR. PORCO:  No, no.  Nothing like that.


INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Do they nag you about that kind of stuff?  Look at your brother.  He's a friggin' star.

MR. PORCO:  They're not like that at all, no.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  I don't know.

MR. PORCO:  No, no.  They're --

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Your mother is a nag (inaudible two words.)

MR. PORCO:  I mean, they'll be like, you know, shape up, do your reports and stuff, but they would never say something like your brother is this and you're not.  They would never do that.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  He's a shining star and you're --

MR. PORCO:  Exactly.  They would never do that.  They're not like that at all.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  (Inaudible two words.)

MR. PORCO:  They were very careful in what they say, and they don't say things about me ever, to my knowledge.  They're very sincere.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  But they were disappointed in you.


MR. PORCO:  Yeah.  (Inaudible statement.)  You know, I didn't perform the way that I said I would and the way I could.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  What were your grades in high school?  Were you an A student?

MR. PORCO:  Oh, no.  Low 80's.  Something like that in high school.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You got -- you know, you got -- how did you get into the University of Rochester?

MR. PORCO:  Swimming, and I had great SAT's.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You got a scholarship for swimming?

MR. PORCO:  No.  Just a -- if you're good at some of their sports, they'll let you in pretty much.  My grades weren't horrible.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  But you did good with your SAT's.  That, along with swimming --

MR. PORCO:  And I took a lot of AP classes and stuff, and it was mostly probably swimming.  I interviewed -- I had an interview too.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Your father emailed you Friday morning sometime.

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)


INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Says come on out --

MR. PORCO:  Nine something.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  -- we've got to talk.  We should talk.

MR. PORCO:  Well, he didn't say it like that.  He said -- it was more like, let me know if you're coming home this weekend.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  When was the last time you were home?

MR. PORCO:  If you have a computer, we can get it right now if you want to read it.  Last time I was home and saw my parents?

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Yeah.

MR. PORCO:  Or the last time I was home.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Right.  No, last time you went home (inaudible three words.)

MR. PORCO:  It would be Saturday.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  This past Saturday?

MR. PORCO:  Two days ago.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Okay.  Prior to that weekend, this weekend, when was the last time you were home?

MR. PORCO:  Like three weeks.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Three weeks?


MR. PORCO:  M-m h-m-m. 

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  October?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.  I would think -- (inaudible two words).

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Halloween?

MR. PORCO:  The weekend before that.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Weekend before Halloween?

MR. PORCO:  M-m h-m-m.  Was that the weekend?

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  There's a calendar right there.  Today is the 15th.  You were home Friday, the 12th.  That's the 5th.  One week.  Two weeks before that would have been --

MR. PORCO:  I came home on a Friday night, I think it was.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  So it wasn't Halloween weekend.

MR. PORCO:  The weekend before Halloween.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Weekend before Halloween.  All right.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Like on the 24th or 31st?

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  24th.


MR. PORCO:  That sounds right.  I'm not really sure.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  24th.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Last time --

MR. PORCO:  You could check the EZ-Pass and then find out, but I'm not really sure.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  The last time you were home and saw your parents --

MR. PORCO:  Correct.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  -- is you think 10/24 weekend?

MR. PORCO:  I'm pretty sure, yeah.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  How was that?

MR. PORCO:  It was fine.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You guys get along?  Any problems?

MR. PORCO:  No.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Asked you how you were doing?

MR. PORCO:  Yup.  Told them.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You got home Friday.  Stayed Saturday and Sunday and went back Sunday afternoon, Sunday evening?


MR. PORCO:  Yeah.  Sunday afternoon, I think.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Okay. 

MR. PORCO:  I'm really not sure.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Driving the Jeep?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  That's your Jeep?

MR. PORCO:  M-m h-m-m.  Well, it's co-signed, but, yeah.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  When did you get that?

MR. PORCO:  June.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Co-signed by your parents?

MR. PORCO:  M-m h-m-m.  Kind of an impulse thing.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Did they -- did your parents know about that?

MR. PORCO:  They knew.  They weren't

really --

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  (Inaudible statement.)

MR. PORCO:  They weren't really happy about it.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  You've got a pretty good payment per month, right?

MR. PORCO:  330, yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  330 a month?  That's a pretty good payment.

MR. PORCO:  It's pretty high.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Then you got your -- your phone bill, which is 50, 50 bucks a month?

MR. PORCO:  M-m h-m-m. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Then you got your Visa bill.

MR. PORCO:  American Express, yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  American Express, excuse me.  Now, let me just ask you a quick question.  I want to -- I want to double check what you're saying here just for the sake of doing it.  Who's your Internet provider?  Who do you have your email with?

MR. PORCO:  Sprint.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Sprint.  All right.  Now, I can check it right now.

MR. PORCO:  Okay.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  All right?  Do you have a problem with that?


MR. PORCO:  Depends what you're reading, but sure.  I (inaudible two words) personal on there, but yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well, what I'm saying is that I'm not looking to look through your stuff.

MR. PORCO:  I don't have -- no, I have no problem with that.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  All right.  Your user name?

MR. PORCO:  Excuse me?

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  User name?

MR. PORCO:  It's my phone number.  (518) 221-5062.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  That's your user?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  And your pass?

MR. PORCO:  B-e-a-d-a.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Capital or lower case?

MR. PORCO:  Lower case.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  D?

MR. PORCO:  B.  B as in boy.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  All right.  B as in boy?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.  B-e-a.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  B-e-a.

MR. PORCO:  D-a.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  D-a.

MR. PORCO:  D-o-g.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  D-o --

MR. PORCO:  G.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I'm going to do it right in this room right here, I hope.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  When you were last home and saw your parents, everything okay?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah. 

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  (Inaudible statement.)

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible four to five words), figuring out payments, obviously. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I'll be right back.

MR. PORCO:  Just like the whole payment for the semester and stuff (inaudible three words.)  Generally, we get along very well.  (Inaudible five word statement) too.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Who's paying for the Jeep?

MR. PORCO:  Me.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  How are you paying for that?


MR. PORCO:  I have money from the summer saved up.  I might get a job.  I was actually looking for a job.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Out there?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.  You know, for the rest of the year at a local sub place and Thruway, actually.  (Inaudible statement.)

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  How about the cell phone?

MR. PORCO:  I pay for that too.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Gas?

MR. PORCO:  They pay for the gas.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Do you have a credit card?

MR. PORCO:  I have a Mobil card in their name.  I can pay gas and (inaudible three words).

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  In whose name?

MR. PORCO:  Well, it says my name on it, but it's their account.  (Inaudible one word) Mobil card.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You've got a cell phone, gas card, car payment, car insurance.

MR. PORCO:  They pay for insurance.    

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Books?


INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Those are -- that's part of tuition.  With the tuition, you get a certain amount of money for the book stores, towards my books.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  What about your spending?

MR. PORCO:  That's -- I'm responsible for that.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You've got to come up with some cash every month.

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.  It's pretty substantial, actually.  I didn't --

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  How do you do that?

MR. PORCO:  H-m-m?

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  How do you do that?

MR. PORCO:  Well, I have money still, but once that runs out, I'll get a job.  So, that's why I was looking.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  How much money do you have?

MR. PORCO:  Not much left.  Few hundred bucks.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  That's in a bank account?

MR. PORCO:  H-m-m?


INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  That's in a bank account somewhere?

MR. PORCO:  Cash.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  So you're down to nothing?

MR. PORCO:  Almost.  You know, I have an application for a few places.  I sent one in.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  So what are you going to do?  I mean, you're (inaudible three words.)

MR. PORCO:  Get a job.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Your parents aren't going to give you any money.

MR. PORCO:  I mean, if I went to them and said, I can't pay this bill, can you help me out if I get a job, they would.  They would definitely help me out.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You've done that in the past?

MR. PORCO:  I've never asked for that, no.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  I mean, they're paying a lot already.


MR. PORCO:  I know.  That's why I would never ask them for that.  I'll get a job.  Figure it out.  If I was really having a problem, then I would (inaudible three words), but I --

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  I have a daughter in college.  She's a junior.  I mean, it's a lot of money.

MR. PORCO:  Oh, yeah.  You know, I didn't realize -- I mean, I knew, but I didn't realize how things add up.  (Inaudible four words) income wouldn't be able to afford it.  I didn't really budget or think really (inaudible three words) taking on expenses (inaudible two words.)

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You kind of free with your money?

MR. PORCO:  Very.  Not very, but I --

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You just like to be generous while you're out.

                                                MR. PORCO:  I'm very -- well, I won't do that.  I just -- toys and stuff, buy things.  It's not like having, you know, the money to pay for it.  This year, I need to work it out, obviously.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You've got a car, cell phone.  How much is your cell phone bill?

MR. PORCO:  About 50 a month, usually.


INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Plus gas.

MR. PORCO:  Well, I don't pay for gas.  It's their credit card.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  That's their account.

MR. PORCO:  I have an American Express card.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  AMEX.

MR. PORCO:  About 70 bucks a month.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  What's that up to?

MR. PORCO:  My balance?

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Yeah.

MR. PORCO:  Three.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Three grand?

MR. PORCO:  I had it up in like four, five months when I got it when I was 18.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You haven't paid it back?

MR. PORCO:  Not yet.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  What do your parents say about that?

MR. PORCO:  Not too happy about that.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  They're not happy about that either?


MR. PORCO:  Not happy about that.  I mean, that's kind of a non-issue anymore.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  They just kind of got over it?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Did they offer to pay for any of it?

MR. PORCO:  No, no.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  What's your interest rate on that?

MR. PORCO:  It's my responsibility.  I'm not really sure.  High.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  It's got to be like 19 percent.

MR. PORCO:  High. 

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  That's ridiculous. 

MR. PORCO:  It was one of those student cards that they give out --

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Right.

MR. PORCO:  -- and, of course, I --

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  (Inaudible statement.)

MR. PORCO:  Of course I had to use it.  My credit limit was $3500.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Maxed.


MR. PORCO:  And came close to maxing it.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  What else you got to pay for?

MR. PORCO:  That's pretty much it.  Day to day --

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Right.

MR. PORCO:  Something to eat or something off campus and I pay for that.  It's not very often.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Yeah, you're on a meal plan?

MR. PORCO:  Yup.  Room and board.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Well, you got enough food for a meal plan?

MR. PORCO:  Oh, yeah, plenty.  It's just -- you know, you get tired of it.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Right, and want something else?

MR. PORCO:  Definitely.  It's not the best, so.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  And what about the booze?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.  (Inaudible statement.)  Fraternity buys it a lot of times.


INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Do they hit you up for money?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah, once a year.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  How much is that?

MR. PORCO:  $600 a year.  (Inaudible statement.)

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  That's for frat?

MR. PORCO:  M-m h-m-m. 

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  And you've got monthly expenses.  How much are they?

MR. PORCO:  It's --

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Walking around money.  You've got to be spending a couple hundred bucks.

MR. PORCO:  I don't think it's that much.  Maybe a hundred, I think.  You know, it varies month to month.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  All right.  Are you doing -- are you buying any type of --

MR. PORCO:  No.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  -- laundry service or anything?  Nothing.

MR. PORCO:  That's why I (inaudible word) the job.


INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Now, you were working this summer?

MR. PORCO:  I worked from January through August.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  And you bought the car when?

MR. PORCO:  June.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Did you put a down payment on it?

MR. PORCO:  No.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  How much was that?

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  What kind of Jeep is it?

MR. PORCO:  A Wrangler.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  So you got a lot of money here.

MR. PORCO:  That's true.  (Inaudible four words) before.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  (Inaudible statement.)

MR. PORCO:  It's a crazy wake up call.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Four, five, 1500, 600 bucks every month.


MR. PORCO:  Yeah.  I may do it with a job.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  How much can you make on a job?  Maybe $5 an hour? 

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible word) pays 10.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Yeah, but you haven't had a job since when?

MR. PORCO:  August.  (Inaudible statement.)

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  So two months now you've got six times three is how much, 18.

MR. PORCO:  Yup.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  So, 1800 bucks you went through in the last (inaudible one word.)

MR. PORCO:  Approximately.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  (Inaudible statement.)

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  That's a lot of money.

MR. PORCO:  Yeah, it is.  Usually I spend money as I get it.  You know, I know I'm not good with it.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  That's one thing -- that's one issue with you and your parents is your money habits?


MR. PORCO:  Not so much my personal habits, it's more of a school issue for them.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Maybe just your money decision making skills?

MR. PORCO:  I know that they think I need to work on that.  (Inaudible statement.)  Like I said, no one has ever done this before.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Were they going to cut you off?

MR. PORCO:  No.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Were they getting tired of you?

MR. PORCO:  No.  They're really not like that.  They're very -- I mean, I almost wish they had at some point tough love type thing, but no, they're not like that.            

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Were you calling home looking for money?

MR. PORCO:  No.  I've never actually asked them for money.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  (Inaudible statement.)

MR. PORCO:  Ever.


INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Stressing at school over money? 

MR. PORCO:  No.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  No?

MR. PORCO:  And I knew I needed to get a job this month.  I knew I need to pay for this stuff.  You know, I have applications and send them in.  I'll get a job in a couple of weeks.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Do you owe anybody else money?

MR. PORCO:  You asked me if I gambled.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Yeah.  Do you have loan sharks out there hunting you down?

MR. PORCO:  No.  No, I'm not a gambler.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You play cards?

MR. PORCO:  No.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You never play cards?  Poker?

MR. PORCO:  The guys play it at the fraternity all the time.  I never take part.  I mean, I --

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Texas Hold 'em?

MR. PORCO:  I don't play poker.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You don't play Texas Hold 'em?


MR. PORCO:  My one experience at a casino, Turning Stone, I played Black Jack, three hands and lost every one.  I swore off betting.  I don't do it.  I mean, casinos make money for a reason.  That's one thing I don't have a problem with.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  I'm still not quite understanding why you go around telling people that you have all this money.  That kind of baffles me that --

MR. PORCO:  No, I --

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  -- you would put on this facade.

MR. PORCO:  It is.  And I've done it for a couple of years now.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  What does that say about your character --

MR. PORCO:  Exactly.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  -- Chris?  Seriously.  What -- no, tell me.  What does it say about your character?

MR. PORCO:  I guess it's insecurity in a way.


INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Does it tell you you're an honest person?

MR. PORCO:  Not in that respect, no.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Trustworthy?

MR. PORCO:  I think of myself as trustworthy, I guess.  If we're going to respond in reference to this, no, I guess I'm not.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Right?  Someone that people -- they can confide in?

MR. PORCO:  Definitely, yes.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  But you're lying to them as you're communicating with them.  If you come -- if you and I --

MR. PORCO:  It's not an everyday thing.  I mean, it's --

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  I mean, if I -- if I'm a student and I meet you and you're telling me you're going out to buy a house because you've got millions of dollars from your grandmother.

MR. PORCO:  True.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  And so we start bonding and talking.  I'm confiding in you, you know?

MR. PORCO:  That's true.  True.  (Inaudible statement.)


INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You're basically lying to these people, right?

MR. PORCO:  Well, it kind of steamrolled away.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  No, let's not color code it.

MR. PORCO:  I know it's wrong.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  (Inaudible statement.)

MR. PORCO:  I know I am wrong by doing it.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Do you consider it lying?

MR. PORCO:  Oh, definitely, yeah.  You know, I'm telling them something that's not really true.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Are you a pathological liar?

MR. PORCO:  I don't think so.  I mean, maybe in that respect.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Because you told the story more than once?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.  Yup, I have.


INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  That's kind of the definition if you tell a lie over and over again. (Inaudible statement.)

MR. PORCO:  In that respect, yes.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  What other things have you lied about?

MR. PORCO:  Really the one thing.  I'm trying to think of anything else.  Just money.  I don't really know why I got started on it.  It was in high school.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Do people ever ask you to prove it about your money?

MR. PORCO:  No.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You ever show them anything that says I've got money in a savings account, investment account?

MR. PORCO:  No.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Smith Barney or anything?

MR. PORCO:  I have paperwork from like -- it's called Russell Fund, but it's not like -- not like I'll have eight million dollars   (inaudible four to five words).

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  What is it now?

MR. PORCO:  It's called a Russell Fund.  It's an investment.


INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  All right.  You created this thing?

MR. PORCO:  No, that's the real -- real thing.  It's just like pamphlets and stuff.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Oh, prospectus?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah, exactly.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  No financial statements or anything?

MR. PORCO:  No, I really don't have any.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  (Inaudible four words) created false --

MR. PORCO:  No way.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  -- financial records to prove to people someone -- so how much money do you have in this -- in your savings account when you say oh, look at my payments from my broker?

MR. PORCO:  No, I've never done that.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You wouldn't go to that extent?

MR. PORCO:  I don't think so.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Well, where do

you --


MR. PORCO:  I don't know what I would say.  It's not exactly --

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Do you know what I mean?  At what point do you end it?  When you tell your girlfriend, your ex-girlfriend --

MR. PORCO:  Ex-girlfriend.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  -- you were going where?

MR. PORCO:  H-m-m?

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Where did you tell Jen you were going?

MR. PORCO:  Real estate.  And you know, I don't even know why I did it.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  How do you feel about that?

MR. PORCO:  Looking back at -- there's no point for it really.  She could care less.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Were you hoping to get her back?

MR. PORCO:  No, not at all.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Did you hope that she would be jealous?

MR. PORCO:  Oh, no.  (Inaudible statement.) 

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Right.


MR. PORCO:  It's just something that came out of my mouth.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  So, you lie to your friends, lie to your girlfriend, lie to your parents.  Who else?

MR. PORCO:  That covers it.  I don't lie to my parents very often.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Well, you deceive them.

MR. PORCO:  I overstate my --

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Do you know what I mean?

MR. PORCO:  What do you call it?  What do you call it?

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Okay?

MR. PORCO:  That's fair.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Let's take off the blinders and --

MR. PORCO:  Sure.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  And rose colored glasses.  Well --

MR. PORCO:  Probably covered it.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  But not lying to the police?


MR. PORCO:  I haven't lied to you guys at all tonight.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Look me in the eye.

MR. PORCO:  All right.  I'm so serious.  I really am.  I --

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  I'd like to believe you.

MR. PORCO:  I'm beyond the point of -- you know, the guy over there was saying, well, why don't you cry.  I mean, I'm beyond that.  I don't know --

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You know, you can't do this (inaudible two words).  Different people who are victims of crime react differently.

                                                MR. PORCO:  I'm completely beyond that.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  We're all -- you would -- you wouldn't be human if --

MR. PORCO:  It all started with, you know, a phone call from the Goddamn newspaper.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Yeah, that was kind of tacky.

MR. PORCO:  Very.  And, you know, I really haven't had time to think all day.  I haven't even seen my mother.


INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  How did you feel today when you woke up?

MR. PORCO:  When I woke up?

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Yeah, you said you went for a run but (inaudible four words.)

MR. PORCO:  Trying to get in shape again.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  When is the last time you swam?

MR. PORCO:  The summer.  I hurt my shoulder beginning of the year this year playing squash and I can't swim.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Do you feel all right?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.  I mean, I felt like shit this morning, I've got like some stomach issue.  Maybe I got some kind of bug or something.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You seem all right now.

MR. PORCO:  I haven't eaten all day since I had that hot dog earlier.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  I mean, you haven't been complaining about your stomach or anything.

MR. PORCO:  Oh, no.  I mean, I'm not in pain or anything.  I just don't feel like eating anything really.  I'm like that all day.


INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Stress will do that to you.

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.  I mean, I like to think of myself as pretty calm about things.  I think things through pretty well usually.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Except for financial stuff? 

MR. PORCO:  I'm an impulse buyer.  I admit, I know that's my thoughts about it.  Everyone has their vices.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Do you think you're an alcoholic, Chris?

MR. PORCO:  No.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Can you stop drinking if you start?

MR. PORCO:  Definitely, and I have before.  You know, I --

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  I mean if you started right now drinking a beer, would you (inaudible three words.)

MR. PORCO:  No.  I do it all the time just have a beer.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Just one?

MR. PORCO:  Oh, yeah.


INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Maybe two or three?

MR. PORCO:  On Saturday night, I had two beers.  Not a problem.  It's not like I get drunk all the time. 

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You have --

MR. PORCO:  I do drink a lot.  I'm the text book definition of an alcoholic.  That's -- the guys I live with are all the same.  You know, I view it as I'm in college, you're not going to get good grades.  I wish I had (inaudible three words) obviously to get over that.  But, you know, I'm not going to be able to get drunk and make a jackass of myself when I'm 25 years old.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Are you a violent drunk?

MR. PORCO:  No, not at all.  I'm happy.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  A happy drunk.

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)  I don't think this has really set in.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Well, you lied to three people.  That's what you told me.  You have been known to lie to your friends, your girlfriends and your parents.  You haven't lied to us?


MR. PORCO:  Not at all.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  What's going to happen if we can prove you are lying?  What do you think should be done?

MR. PORCO:  A trial.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  (Inaudible statement.)

MR. PORCO:  Obviously, you think -- you think that --

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  No, no.  What I'm saying is, if it comes back that we can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that you did it, what should be done to you?

MR. PORCO:  Then I should go to jail (inaudible four words).  The system works.  In most cases it does.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  If we gave -- put right here in front of you irrefutable evidence that puts you at the scene of that crime --

MR. PORCO:  I hope you wouldn't have that, but --

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  If we did.

MR. PORCO:  Okay. 


INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Would you tell us that you did it?

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  No, no.  Wait.  I didn't say you -- I didn't ask you if you did it.  I said if we put in front of you --

MR. PORCO:  You wouldn't have that to begin with though. 

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  This is a hypothesis.  This is just --

MR. PORCO:  If I knew --

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  If we threw here in front of you, there's a picture of you walking out of the house with an X, Y, Z murder weapon.  Now will you tell us whether you did it or not?

MR. PORCO:  Well, obviously, then I would have done it, yeah.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Okay. 

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You would tell us?

MR. PORCO:  I --

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  If we came to you with irrefutable evidence, eyewitness accounts, videotape, fingerprints on the murder weapon.

MR. PORCO:  Probably, yeah.


INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Well --

MR. PORCO:  It would depend on the circumstances.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  -- probably or would you ‑‑

MR. PORCO:  I don't know what you're ‑‑

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Because, you know, I'm looking at this saying that you're -- you're a dirty liar.  You duped all these people at one time or another.  (Inaudible statement.)  We don't even know you.

MR. PORCO:  This is a little more serious than that.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Oh, it is.  We don't know you.  We don't know your characteristics.  We don't know how you hold yourself, how you --

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Forget about it.  If we came to you and said, okay, we've got A, we've got B, we've got C.

MR. PORCO:  I would have to sit and look at it and think about it.


INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Okay.  So you wouldn't come right out and say, you know what, fellas, I did it?  No.  You would have to think about it?  You'd go to trial and you'd just take this right down the road?

MR. PORCO:  Depends on the circumstances.  (Inaudible statement.)

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Well, these circumstances, (inaudible three words) irrefutable --

MR. PORCO:  If I had done something and you had proof that I had done it.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Well, I'm not saying if you did.  I'm saying, we have -- we have no way of knowing if you did.  We bring you physical evidence.

MR. PORCO:  I would question the evidence.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Well, physical evidence you can't really question because it's physical, it's there.  It is what it is.

MR. PORCO:  It can be doctored and played with a little bit.  I'm not accusing any of you guys.  I don't think you would do that.  But I'm just saying --


INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  (Inaudible statement.)  Your fingerprints are on the bloody stick or whatever it was.

MR. PORCO:  Okay.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Okay.  If I can

give --

MR. PORCO:  They would have no reason to be on the stick.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Yeah, right.  What would you do?

MR. PORCO:  Probably have to speak with a lawyer and --

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Okay.  So you wouldn't tell us.  You wouldn't break down and say, you know what, yeah, I (inaudible four words), got out of hand, and my father hit me and I fell down.  I got up, I whacked him.

MR. PORCO:  No.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You wouldn't break down and (inaudible three words)?

MR. PORCO:  No.  

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Why?

MR. PORCO:  H-m-m?

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Why?  You would rather put your family through all this, a trial?

MR. PORCO:  I don't believe it.


INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Denial.

MR. PORCO:  Just to let you know.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Right?  You would rather put your family through all this?  You got uncles, grandmothers?

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You would want --

MR. PORCO:  If I --

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  -- all of them to suffer through all of this?

MR. PORCO:  If I had done it and you showed me evidence that I couldn't argue with that I had done it, I would say yes, fine, I did it.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Well, now you're changing your story.

MR. PORCO:  No, I'm not.  If -- if I had done it and you had come to me and said, oh, we have all this crap that says, you know, beyond a  doubt, you did it, and I was like fine, talk to the DA and talk with a lawyer, but.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  No.  Would you start right now writing down what happened?

MR. PORCO:  I would -- I would have to speak with a lawyer first.


INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You would. 

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Why?

MR. PORCO:  I can --

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  No, no.  I mean, I understand, but I just mean, why?  What are you going to gain --

MR. PORCO:  It's been ingrained in my head.  I don't know, it would be a reaction.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You wouldn't feel the need to confess your soul, your sins, to not put your family through all this?

MR. PORCO:  I would after speaking with a lawyer.  Go after my options and --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well, let's just say that, as we've discussed already, that, you know, there was some guilt involved here.  Okay, I would have to -- whoever did it would have to bother them terribly.

MR. PORCO:  I would hope it would, yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Particularly, you know, if you did have some involvement because it was your parents.

MR. PORCO:  I would agree with that, yes.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I mean, like I told you, in my estimation, that situation, the way I'm seeing it, was something that happened out of a passionate moment.

MR. PORCO:  You told me they were in bed, so I don't know how passionate that could be, honestly.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well, you know, to some degree --

MR. PORCO:  You can walk in a room and stab people in bed and that's not really a --

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  (Inaudible statement.)

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  The reason behind it, the emotions that were exploding from it --

MR. PORCO:  I don't know. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Right?

MR. PORCO:  I don't know. I'm not a (inaudible one word) psychologist.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  And then afterwards, those emotions subside and the thought is, what's happened?  What have I done?  What has happened here?  What an awful thing.


MR. PORCO:  I agree it's an awful thing.  (Inaudible statement.) 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  And how does something get along with that?  You know --

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Who's taking what away?

MR. PORCO:  Guilt.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Emotionally, mentally?

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  So, it's something, I take it you're saying could not be explained away by an extreme emotional disturbance?

MR. PORCO:  I don't think anyone in their right mind would stab people in bed or whatever the hell, beat them with a baseball bat in bed while they're sleeping or awake.  Even if they're awake and you're in bed.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  What do you think should happen to this person if we should catch them?

MR. PORCO:  A fair trial.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Fair trial?  That's it?  They're your parents, man.


MR. PORCO:  Fair trial.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You wouldn't want to hang them, string them up?

MR. PORCO:  Faith in the system. 

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Faith in the system?  And then what if they're found not guilty?

MR. PORCO:  Then you didn't do your job.  No offense, but I mean, not with you guys, but the DA or somebody didn't do their job.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Well, how would you feel about that?

MR. PORCO:  I would be upset.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  What would you do?

MR. PORCO:  I'd be upset. 

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  That's it?

MR. PORCO:  Do you mean go after the guy or something?

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Yeah, yeah.

MR. PORCO:  Definitely not.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You wouldn't?

MR. PORCO:  No.  (Inaudible statement.)

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Well, I'm not saying actually do it.  If somebody killed my parents, I'd be fucking hot, and I'd be after them.


MR. PORCO:  Well, of course, I would be angry, but I'm not going to attack them.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I'm sorry, but I'd probably lose control of myself.

MR. PORCO:  That's you (inaudible two words).

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Were you close to your parents?

MR. PORCO:  Extremely.  They're incredible people.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  They were incredible people.

MR. PORCO:  My mother still is.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Hang on.  What are you talking about?  She's our eyewitness.  You don't understand.  You know what she said, right?

MR. PORCO:  I don't really believe that.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Well, I'll tell you what.  We cannot lie to you in this room.

MR. PORCO:  I hope not.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You can lie to us all you want.         

MR. PORCO:  I know that.


INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  We cannot lie to you.  We cannot deceive you.

MR. PORCO:  I'd rather hear it from her if she's going to say that.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Well, she will.

MR. PORCO:  Okay. 

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  She will.

MR. PORCO:  Okay. 

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Hopefully, all right, she'll be able to speak again.

MR. PORCO:  Apparently, she didn't speak the first time.  I've heard three different stories on how she actually communicated.  I'll take your word.  I don't know if I'll (inaudible word) or not, but you can do what you want. 

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  How are they going to feel about that?  How are they going to feel about you?

MR. PORCO:  They'll be upset, I'm sure.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Are they all going to rally around you? 

MR. PORCO:  I don't know.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Are they going to ostracize you?

MR. PORCO:  I don't know.  Maybe they won't.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Did you talk about that -- that thing that was found at the --

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  You did?  What's with that?

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  He doesn't -- he says he doesn't -- he didn't know anything about it.

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.) 

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  That financial statement.

MR. PORCO:  What?

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  There was a financial statement found in your room with your name on it that said you have 1.4 million dollars.

MR. PORCO:  It's not a statement.  It's a -- I'm trying -- what it's called-- proposal maybe.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Proposal?

MR. PORCO:  For life insurance.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  As a --

MR. PORCO:  As an investment.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  As an investment.  The whole life insurance?


MR. PORCO:  Well, it would be in a -- yes.  Then you can draw out of it.  Yeah.  There's -- some of my friends work at Mutual for the summer.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  You were going to get --

MR. PORCO:  I was going to get a statement saying that I have eight million dollars.  It's a proposal.  There's nothing factual on it except for the (inaudible two words) and stuff.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  You were gong to have a pretend life insurance policy or something or?

MR. PORCO:  No.  It was just a theoretical.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Twenty-year investment.

MR. PORCO:  It was more than that.  It was  until I was 65.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Yeah.  If you put in X amount of dollars, you're guaranteed a return of whatever (inaudible one word) percent or 12 percent a year compounded.

MR. PORCO:  And then how much it will be worth at the end.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Right.

MR. PORCO:  And all of that.  Based on a certain net worth.


INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  And those are figures you gave this person?

MR. PORCO:  Yes.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Were they true?

MR. PORCO:  No.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  No.  They were made up.  What was the point of that?

MR. PORCO:  Interesting. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  There's been several times now when we -- we varied on your -- your financial worth or background, whatever you were doing in that area.  I mean, a couple of times, until I mentioned it, you didn't say anything to me about it.

MR. PORCO:  You didn't ask.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Well, I asked you several times if you had met with anybody else before you came down on Friday into Bethlehem ‑‑

MR. PORCO:  Right.  I wasn't even thinking about it.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  -- before you went through (inaudible two words).

MR. PORCO:  I wasn't avoiding that, you know, because I was so (inaudible three words).


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well --

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Well, we've caught you lying more than a few times.  Then again, you're --

MR. PORCO:  When was I lying?

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Pardon me?

MR. PORCO:  When was I lying?

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  It was mentioned to you one time.

MR. PORCO:  When?

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  When you were -- met with --

MR. PORCO:  I forgot about it.  I didn't intentionally delete it out of my memory (inaudible two words).

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well, when you said you were coming down here to meet with some real estate person to look at property out on the outer banks.

MR. PORCO:  That wasn't a lie to you.  It was a lie to someone else.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  What was it?

MR. PORCO:  It was a lie to someone else.  It wasn't a lie to you.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Yeah, but why?  Why?

MR. PORCO:  I'm really not sure.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  See, that bothers me.  I'm really not sure.  I mean, there's a reason for what people do.

MR. PORCO:  Not always.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Oh, no, no, no.  I mean, there's something.  Either it was to --

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  (Inaudible statement.)

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Something.  Under -- undermining thing.  You know, whether or not you were trying to impress a person or --

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I mean, I don't want to put ideas in your head either.      

MR. PORCO:  No. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Right?

MR. PORCO:  No, that's probably still what it is.  Yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  But I don't understand because it's not the first time it's happened.

MR. PORCO:  Well, I know -- (inaudible two words) --


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Because other people say that you had gone out and said that you had inherited a couple million or five million or something from Grandma.

MR. PORCO:  Same story. 

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Which Grandma?

MR. PORCO:  Father's.  That's the only Grandmother I have.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Your grandmother is still alive?

MR. PORCO:  Correct.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Is she wealthy?

MR. PORCO:  Not particularly, no.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  That's what's -- that's what's getting me right now.  I mean, why -- why say these things, you know?

MR. PORCO:  Past couple years.  It's a -- we talked about it.  I guess it's an inferiority thing.  I don't really know.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well, you know what?  You're not believing me what I'm telling you right now about what was indicated to me.

MR. PORCO:  I can't believe that.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  And then I'm asking you -- I mean, I'm finding a hard time to believe what you're saying right now from these fabrications on your financial wherewithal.

MR. PORCO:  Well, you're (inaudible rest of statement.)

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I mean, I don't know what your compelling drive is behind doing and saying things like that.

MR. PORCO:  Impress people mostly.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Do you have a problem keeping people's attention that you need to do this?

MR. PORCO:  Actually, no.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  What's up?  And why do it?

MR. PORCO:  Habit, I guess, at this point.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well, do you think we might be drawing a conclusion right now that we're not sure that -- how many things have been a lie right now in this conversation?

MR. PORCO:  I don't think -- why do you think that.  I just don't understand why you think that.


INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  So, how -- how are we going to prove that you're telling us the truth?  How do we do that, Chris?

MR. PORCO:  I'm not sure.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  How do we -- how do we, you know, get off of you and on to somebody else --    

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  We got lots of people, but that's fine, how do we get off of you?  How do we get off of you in good conscience?

MR. PORCO:  I'm not sure.  You were talking about a polygraph.  I mean, I said I was willing to do that, but I just need to consult a lawyer first.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  All right.  Short of that, how else are we going to do this?

MR. PORCO:  I'm not sure.  I mean, call up people and verify my shit.  (Inaudible statement.)

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Well, I am, but they're telling me you're a millionaire.

MR. PORCO:  No --


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  They actually believe it.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Yeah.               

MR. PORCO:  Look beyond that.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  To what?

MR. PORCO:  That somebody actually saw me and that I was in Rochester last night and not anywhere near here.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  No.  Somebody saw you go to bed at a certain time and then they saw you the next morning.

MR. PORCO:  If you interview people who live there, people walked through when I was sleeping on the couch, and there has to be people who saw me there.  It's not a --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I'm sure we'll interview people, all right?

MR. PORCO:  I hope you do, actually.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I've got to tell you that, you know, at this point, we got you going to bed and getting up in the morning and that's it.  All right?  What you're telling us -- I just -- I don't know what to believe or not to believe right now --

MR. PORCO:  I understand.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  And that's why I simply asked you about a polygraph because I'm trying to sort this whole thing out, because you know what?  If it's not you --

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Then let's get on with it.

MR. PORCO:  I agree.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Because  without that, you're always going to be there in the back of our minds.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Absolutely.

MR. PORCO:  I agree with you.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  It's going to be (inaudible three words.)

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Now, I told him I haven't met an attorney yet that's going to advise him to take a polygraph.     

MR. PORCO:  I know they're not going to tell me to do it.  I'd like to just -- I don't think that's too much to ask.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well, all right, look it.  We can't use it in a court of law.

MR. PORCO:  I understand that.  I know it's not admissible.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I'm willing to use it as a base line with you.

MR. PORCO:  I know that's the purpose of it.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  That's where it boils down to, all right?

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  They're probably going to give it more weight if it comes back and says you're telling us th, e truth.  , We're g, oing to give it the full weight as if it could be put in a court of law.  We're just going to say, all right, we're out of this guy.

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)  That's fine, but, you know, that doesn't change the fact that I'd like to just speak with someone about it before I (inaudible two words).

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  That's your prerogative.  Short of that, I mean, who else can vouch for your whereabouts?

MR. PORCO:  Start talking to people, I guess.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  I know, but they may see something on the couch with a blanket on.  They're not going to know it's you.  The lights are out.  Did you ‑‑


MR. PORCO:  The lights were actually on.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Did you get up and talk with somebody and say, watch out, you're sitting on me, or don't --

MR. PORCO:  No.  I mean, it's a Sunday night.  No one was up in the lounge and hanging out really late.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  What have we got?  We really got you missing between ten and whenever, eight.

MR. PORCO:  If that's how you want to look at it, I guess, yeah.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  All right?

MR. PORCO:  Going on ten (inaudible two words) one or something.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Somebody saw you at one?

MR. PORCO:  I don't know the last time I gave you was, but (inaudible two words.)

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  I don't know, Chris.  I would think you would want to clear your name.

MR. PORCO:  Kind of.  That's why (inaudible two words) --


INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Yesterday we got all your --

MR. PORCO:  That's why I --

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  -- (inaudible three words.) 

MR. PORCO:  That's why I'm giving you DNA and fingerprints and stuff.  You know, I wouldn't do that if I thought I had a chance of being caught with something.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  You said you fell asleep on the couch at 1:30 a.m.?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  And who was with you?  When was the last time a person was with you?

MR. PORCO:  I had said before that.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Well?

MR. PORCO:  I'm not sure.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I'm sorry, what was it?

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  When was the last time he was physically with somebody?

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  He went back to his dorm prior to that and watched TV by himself --

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  -- from leaving the library at eleven p.m. until one a.m.   He was in the -- in the library before that from six p.m. until eleven p.m.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You were in the library?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You were in the library, six to eleven?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  How come Jason said you were in your dorm room?

MR. PORCO:  I wasn't.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  9:30.

MR. PORCO:  I don't know where he got that from.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  When did you first meet Jason?

MR. PORCO:  When he arrived.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  I thought you were at the library?

MR. PORCO:  Whenever he arrived.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  He arrived at nine o'clock.

MR. PORCO:  At nine o'clock.


INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  I thought you were at the library?

MR. PORCO:  We went over this.  Those times very, very rough.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  That's two hours.

MR. PORCO:  True.  And I'm not sure it was before that, but, you know, (inaudible two words) together.  I'm off by two hours.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  That's a big amount to be off.

MR. PORCO:  I agree, you know.  That's bad, but --

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  That's huge.  That's bad, yes.

MR. PORCO:  The fact remains that --

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  (Inaudible statement.)

MR. PORCO:  People saw me in the lounge, I'm sure, later than one o'clock, sleeping.  You know, that's perfectly verifiable.  A lot of people can say, hey, did you see me?          

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  What were you wearing?  Did you have a blanket on?  A pillow?

MR. PORCO:  I didn't have a blanket.


INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You didn't have a what?  You (indecipherable two words) pillow.  What were you wearing?

MR. PORCO:  I'm trying to think.  I had on a black sweatshirt and jeans.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Black sweatshirt.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  When you went to bed that night?

MR. PORCO:  Yup.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Black hood and jeans?

MR. PORCO:  Yup.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Would it be something like --

MR. PORCO:  Sweatshirt with letters, with Greek letters.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Greek letters.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Frat letters?  Where is that now? 

MR. PORCO:  I don't --

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Where did you meet Jason? 

MR. PORCO:  In my room.


INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  What were you doing, man?

MR. PORCO:  On my computer, I think.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You were instant messaging people or?

MR. PORCO:  Probably, and watching TV at the same time, probably.  I'm not really sure.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  What were you doing at the library?

MR. PORCO:  I was studying for my test on Friday. 

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You had a test on Friday?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Were you reading, taking notes?

MR. PORCO:  Reading.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Were you online?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Instant messaging people?

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Pardon me?

MR. PORCO:  Someone I (inaudible three words).


INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  And you left there at eleven and went back to your dorm?

MR. PORCO:  Approximately.  I don't have a watch, unfortunately.  I'm not really sure what time it was, but it was in that time frame, yeah.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  At midnight?

MR. PORCO:  I would say eleven.  I'm trying to think what I watched on TV in the dorm that night.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  When can you say you watched that TV?

MR. PORCO:  I don't remember the --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Sunday night?

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Yeah.  When he got back from the library at eleven.

MR. PORCO:  Went back (inaudible two words.)  I don't remember.          

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  I thought you said you were watching a movie or something?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.  I watched Total Recall.  Remember I --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Yeah.  Total Recall.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  That was what, a movie?


MR. PORCO:  I'm talking about -- that's a movie, but then after that, I went in the lounge and watched TV.  I'm trying to think what I watched when I was going to bed.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  What time was Total Recall?

MR. PORCO:  It was on my computer.  It wasn't like on TV.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  All right.  You said it was on until one a.m.?

MR. PORCO:  Approximately.  If I got back at 11:00.  I assume it's a two-hour movie. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Then you went to the couch at 1:30?

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You stayed in your room from eleven to one watching Total Recall?

MR. PORCO:  Yes.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Last (inaudible one word) you went out to the lounge --

MR. PORCO:  Because Jason was going to sleep.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Jason was going to sleep.


MR. PORCO:  Well, he didn't say that, but (inaudible three words.) 

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  It was getting late.

MR. PORCO:  Huh?

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  It was getting late.

MR. PORCO:  Yeah, I would assume he would want to.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Where is Jason's statement?

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I'll get it.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  (Inaudible statement.)

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Anybody with you?

MR. PORCO:  People were walking in and out, you know.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Yeah, but nobody sat down?

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)  You're bored, so you're on the computer.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  What usually happens on a Sunday night?  Are people come in, going home?


MR. PORCO:  Yeah, people over at the library (inaudible five to six words).  (Inaudible statement.)

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Where was your roommate?

MR. PORCO:  When?

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Sunday night while you were watching Total Recall?

MR. PORCO:  Sunday night, he (inaudible six words) his girlfriend's room.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  He went to his girlfriend's?

MR. PORCO:  Yes, she lives on campus.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  What time did you last see him?

MR. PORCO:  It was earlier in the evening.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  And did he say he was staying over there?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.  He had told me that like three or four days  (inaudible four words.) 

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  So, why -- why didn't you sleep in -- in your room?

MR. PORCO:  Where was I going to sleep?

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  In the bed.

MR. PORCO:  I had offered my bed like two weeks ago.


INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  What about Matt's bed?  Wouldn't that have been more comfortable than the couch?

MR. PORCO:  It's kind of gross.  He slept with his girlfriend all the time.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  (Inaudible word) clean sheets?

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible response.)

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You could grab some things.

MR. PORCO:  I couldn't.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  And put Jason in his bed.

MR. PORCO:  It's not really clean.  My bed's all clean.  I don't mind sleeping on the couch, I guess.  (Inaudible statement.)

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Is it a big couch?  Were your feet hanging off the edge there?

MR. PORCO:  If I go straight out, yeah, they would curl up a little bit.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You're in there watching TV until Total Recall is over, about one?

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)


INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Where's Jason while you're watching Total Recall?

MR. PORCO:  I'm not sure.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  (Inaudible statement.)

MR. PORCO:  I'm not sure.  I mean, I didn't really talk to Jason at all.  I talked to him until today, this morning he was around.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Total Recall.  That's an Arnold Schwarzenegger movie?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah, it's about Mars.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  And is this on a disc or where is this?

MR. PORCO:  On CD.  (Inaudible two words) 30 or 40 movies put on a CD.  (Inaudible two words) take home and watch them.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  And you play that on your computer and watch it?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Drinking a couple of beers?

MR. PORCO:  Didn't have any last night.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  No?  Sitting on your couch, sitting on your bed?


MR. PORCO:  Chair.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Sitting on a chair?  That must have been uncomfortable.

MR. PORCO:  Why?

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Sitting in a chair for two hours.

MR. PORCO:  Nice chair.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  (Inaudible statement.)

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.  I don't have a school chair in my room (inaudible two words) --

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Is it an upholstered chair?

MR. PORCO:  -- '70s brown, really comfortable chair that reclines.  It's actually nice.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  So then you go into the lounge because you wanted to turn everything off and let Jason get some sleep.

MR. PORCO:  He didn't come in and like say, I want to go to bed.  I just left.  I assumed he probably wanted to go to sleep.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  But he comes in?


MR. PORCO:  I didn't actually see him, I don't think.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You left before he came in?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.  And I went and just sat and started watching TV and fell asleep.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Anybody in the lounge with you?

MR. PORCO:  As I said, no one was like watching TV.  There were people that were definitely (inaudible three words), definitely.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Was the TV on?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  What did you watch for a half hour?

MR. PORCO:  I was flipping.  I'm trying to think.  (Inaudible four words) at one point.  I just don't know.  Usually -- usually I watch the news, Fox News.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Then you got up at  eight.

MR. PORCO:  Approximately.  Again, I don't have a watch, but it was around there.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  And you went to your room to get your shoes?


MR. PORCO:  Yep.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Your running shoes?

MR. PORCO:  Yep.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Is that something you do quite often?

MR. PORCO:  Just started about a week ago.  Try to run three times a week.  Try getting into shape.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Was Jason up?

MR. PORCO:  No, he was sleeping.  He didn't get up until much later.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  (Inaudible statement.)

MR. PORCO:  Much later, like eleven or so probably.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Jason got up about eleven you think?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.  Around there.  (Inaudible lengthy statement.)

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I'm still looking for that other thing.  I'll be back.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Oh, I think it's over on the desk in the corner, last time I saw it.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Where, in the corner?

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Yeah.

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement) Rochester Police.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Pardon me?

MR. PORCO:  They talking about Rochester Police (inaudible four words) security statement.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  They were done ‑‑ Rochester (inaudible three words.)  All right.  Where was I?  I've got you going -- oh, getting up at eight, right?

MR. PORCO:  Approximately.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  And then you went out for a jog.  You went to your room and got your shoes, right, your running sneakers.  What kind of sneakers you got?

MR. PORCO:  Adidis.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  (Inaudible statement.)

MR. PORCO:  Yeah, they're old.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Oh, they're old? 

MR. PORCO:  Old ones.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  And you run in them?

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)


INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Well, let me ask you.  Is that something you've been doing recently or (inaudible four words?)   

MR. PORCO:  I think this was about my fourth time, I think, this year.  I try to wear a backpack too (inaudible two words).

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You're going to strain your back (inaudible three words).

MR. PORCO:  I have a pair of boots in it, sweatshirt.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Yeah.  You were running wearing your sneakers?

MR. PORCO:  M-m h-m-m. 

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  What else?

MR. PORCO:  I had a white tee-shirt on and shorts and a sweatshirt over the tee-shirt and a backpack on my back.    

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Where did you get the shorts?

MR. PORCO:  I was wearing them at the time.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  I thought you were wearing jeans?

MR. PORCO:  H-m-m?


INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  I thought you were wearing jeans?

MR. PORCO:  I changed.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  When?  I asked --

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)  I remember changing -- I changed at my girlfriend's, actually.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  All right.  (Inaudible statement.)

MR. PORCO:  Did you ask me if I changed (inaudible three words) or not?

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Yeah.  I asked you what you were wearing in bed.  I asked you when you went to your room, what did you do.  To get sneakers and put them on.

MR. PORCO:  I changed the night before.  I didn't change that morning.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  I asked you what you were wearing when you went to bed on the couch.

MR. PORCO:  Shorts and a sweatshirt.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  And you said jeans and a hoody.

MR. PORCO:  I wore shorts to bed.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  See what I'm saying?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.  I understand.


INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Okay. 

MR. PORCO:  They were blue shorts that said UR on the flap.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  (Inaudible two words) we're looking for it still.       

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  All right, so now you said --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Your father is pretty upset.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You know, you didn't broach it, didn't touch it, apparently.  He says he went back to his room and got changed before he went jogging.

MR. PORCO:  No, this was the night before.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  The night before?

MR. PORCO:  Yes.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Didn't he just tell us that he slept in his jeans and his hoody, right?

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I didn't hear anything about changing the clothes.

MR. PORCO:  I don't remember saying --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  There wasn't anything about changing your clothes.  


INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Right, no.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I think you said you just got up and went as you were.

MR. PORCO:  I said I was wearing shorts at that point.  I wouldn't have jogged in jeans.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  All right.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  That's why I thought it was unusual.

MR. PORCO:  To jog in jeans?

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Yeah.

MR. PORCO:  No.  I wouldn't jog in jeans.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Because if you had said you had gotten changed, I just, you know, I wouldn't have thought that.  (Inaudible statement.)

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  I think you'd look kind of funny (inaudible two words) a hoody and jeans.

MR. PORCO:  I agree.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You know, unless you got your (inaudible six to seven words.) 


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Look it, Chris.  I'm getting the impression -- I really -- I think you're used to lying. 

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  He is.  Chris (inaudible two words) pathological liar. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  You know, and this is what's -- this is what's really twisting me right now, because as much as I'd like to settle this whole thing and get on with it, I'm having a hard time with the fact that I think that lying comes very -- first nature, not second nature, first nature, all right?  And that part is what's really turning us around here.  We need to settle this thing one way or the other, and if you don't give us that now.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  What would happen if you got arrested?

MR. PORCO:  What do you mean?

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  What would happen if you got arrested?  Your career, your future?

MR. PORCO:  It definitely would be bad, obviously.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  I mean, to file the charges, if charges were filed against you.  I'm not saying you're convicted.  If you were arrested, what would ROTC say?


MR. PORCO:  Wouldn't be too happy about that.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You're done.  What would your parents say?

MR. PORCO:  My parent would be very upset.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  No, let me go back.  Say your parents found out something that you did.

MR. PORCO:  They would go insane.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  They would go insane.

MR. PORCO:  Definitely.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  How would you feel?

MR. PORCO:  Shitty.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Depressed?  Extremely emotional.

MR. PORCO:  True.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Chris, what do you think is going to happen?

MR. PORCO:  I'm not sure.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  What do you want to happen?

MR. PORCO:  Honestly, I --

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Seriously.


MR. PORCO:  I'd like to take a polygraph and end everything.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Let's go.  Just you and me.  We'll go in now.

MR. PORCO:  Go where?

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Take a polygraph.

MR. PORCO:  Take a polygraph right now?

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Right now.  We'll get it over with (inaudible three words).  Right now, Chris.

MR. PORCO:  First of all, it's -- whatever time in the morning it is.    

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Who did it?

MR. PORCO:  Exactly.  That's part of it, A; and B, (inaudible one word) conditions, I'd like to speak with a lawyer first.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  So you don't want to end it?

MR. PORCO:  I want it to end --

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You got A, B, C excuses.

MR. PORCO:  It's --

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  If your parents found out --


MR. PORCO:  They are --

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  -- you did something wrong --

MR. PORCO:  They are valid excuses.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Yes, they are.  I'm not disputing their validity.  If your parents found out you did something wrong --

MR. PORCO:  Yes.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  -- and they thought you were going to be arrested --

MR. PORCO:  M-m h-m-m. 

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  -- what would they do?  Would they cut you off?

MR. PORCO:  No.  They would inquire as to what I did.  See if it was true, and be pissed off.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Cut you off?

MR. PORCO:  No, not at all.  They would do anything they could to help me.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I get the impression --

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  They'd be mad.

MR. PORCO:  Of course.  They would be furious.


INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  They would be furious.

MR. PORCO:  Oh, definitely.  Cutting me off and not helping me would be the last thing on their minds.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  (Inaudible statement.)

MR. PORCO:  Yeah, you know that.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You can't survive without them.

MR. PORCO:  Not at this point, no.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  If they cut you off, you're done.

MR. PORCO:  Quit school and get a job, obviously.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  And do what?  Flopping burgers?

MR. PORCO:  Exactly, it would be a good job at the (inaudible one word).

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Way beneath you.  You're smarter -- a smarter man than that.

MR. PORCO:  I know that.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Sometimes we make bad decisions.           

MR. PORCO:  Yes, we do.


INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  And you've got to be a man and admit it.

MR. PORCO:  I agree.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You can't be Bill Clinton and lie to us.  You know what I'm saying?

MR. PORCO:  True.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You've got to be a man.  You've got to stand up.  A man admits his mistakes.

MR. PORCO:  I agree with that.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Sometimes your emotions get the best of you, overtake you.

MR. PORCO:  True.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Sending you into a place -- time and place you don't want to be at.

MR. PORCO:  True.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Right?  Sometimes it happens.  You're not in control over it.

MR. PORCO:  I wouldn't go that far.  (Inaudible statement.)

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Well, not necessarily.  Temporarily maybe, sure.

MR. PORCO:  That would be an insanity defense, right?


INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Could be.  Do you watch a lot of cop shows?

MR. PORCO:  Not really.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You seem to be pretty articulate about the lingo.

MR. PORCO:  I've got a lawyer for a Dad.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Yeah.  You think this person that did this is criminally insane?

MR. PORCO:  Definitely.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You think so? 

MR. PORCO:  Yes.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Do you think he should go to the hospital?         

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.  (Inaudible four words) people like that.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  But should he go to the hospital or should he or she go --

MR. PORCO:  Prison.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  For a long time?

MR. PORCO:  Extremely long.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Chris, you have no alibi.  Do you understand that?

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You have motive.


MR. PORCO:  I don't understand what you think my motive is.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Well, money.

MR. PORCO:  I'm going to kill my parents for $300,000?  I mean, come on.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Yeah.

MR. PORCO:  Why?

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  People do it all the time. 

MR. PORCO:  That's horrible.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Well, it is horrible.  I don't disagree with you it's horrible, Chris, and people do it all the time.  People kill people for five dollars.

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)


INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You know what I'm saying?  You've got to get this off your chest.  You've got to get it off -- because you know what's going to happen, it's going to eat you up.  Eat you up.  I was just down on another homicide down in Columbia County.  The kid's your age, killed a farmer.  The kid couldn't stop throwing up for four days until we picked him up.  This is going to eat you up.  You know that, don't you?  Your hair is going to fall out.

MR. PORCO:  He did it.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Your stomach is going to burn a hole in it.  The only way to stop it is to be a man.

MR. PORCO:  I can't help you.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You can.  You're not helping me.  You're going to help yourself.  Chris, I'd love to (inaudible one word) you, I really would.  But you're not (inaudible three words).  Convince me.  Seriously, convince me.

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Be a man.  Let's get this over with.  You've got your whole family out there right now.   

MR. PORCO:  I agreed to --

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  They'll help you --

MR. PORCO:  -- give them a call tomorrow and talk about a polygraph.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  They'll help you.

MR. PORCO:  I know they will.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  (Inaudible statement.)  Chris, are you capable of telling the truth?


MR. PORCO:  Of course.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Okay.  Tell me the truth.

MR. PORCO:  I have.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  When was the last time you saw your parents?

MR. PORCO:  Three weeks ago.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  This week.

MR. PORCO:  Three weeks ago.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You saw them this weekend.

MR. PORCO:  Three weeks ago.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  (Inaudible statement.)

MR. PORCO:  Three weeks ago.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You're not being honest.

MR. PORCO:  I'm being completely honest.  Three weeks ago.  Ask my Mom.  Ask her in front of me when the last time I saw her was.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  When I get the opportunity, I will.

MR. PORCO:  Please do.


INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  I don't think you're being (inaudible one word.)  I --

MR. PORCO:  If they can look at me and say

-- you know, you attacked me, then, fine.  I

can -- 

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  (Inaudible three words) asked in a court of law --

MR. PORCO:  Well, then --

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  -- you're not going to be allowed.  You understand that, right?  We're clear on that?

MR. PORCO:  I understand.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  If your parents thought you did something wrong, they would be upset.

MR. PORCO:  Yes.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Extremely upset.

MR. PORCO:  Of course.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  They'd want to talk to you?

MR. PORCO:  Yes.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  They'd want to confront you?

MR. PORCO:  Yes.


DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Your father lived by the rule of law his whole life.

MR. PORCO:  Straightest man I know.

DETECTIVE RUDOLPH:  Exactly, and to see his number two son do something illegal must have killed him, broke his heart.

MR. PORCO:  It would, yeah.  I guess I would.

DETECTIVE WILLIAMS:  So what happened?  (Inaudible statement.)

MR. PORCO:  I told you.

DETECTIVE WILLIAMS:  You can't convince me.

MR. PORCO:  I'm sorry.  I (inaudible three to four words).

DETECTIVE WILLIAMS:  I've been doing this a long time. 

MR. PORCO:  I --

DETECTIVE WILLIAMS:  (Inaudible statement.)

MR. PORCO:  I know, you're very experienced (inaudible two words.)

DETECTIVE WILLIAMS:  But you're not looking (inaudible two words).

MR. PORCO:  I'm sorry.  I don't know what you want me to do.


DETECTIVE WILLIAMS:  I want you to get a good (inaudible three words.)  There's nothing else.  If you explain to us that there was an emotional (inaudible one word), that is a defense.

MR. PORCO:  It's not a defense.

DETECTIVE WILLIAMS:  It is a defense.  Mitigating circumstances.

MR. PORCO:  I'm not buying into that.  It's not a defense.

DETECTIVE WILLIAMS:  No.  I'm not talking about the victim.  I'm talking about the perpetrator because extreme emotional distress is a mitigating circumstance to the crime.  It brings the crime down.

MR. PORCO:  True, I think (inaudible two words) first.

DETECTIVE WILLIAMS:  I can help you explain that.  A lawyer is not going to be allowed to explain it.  In other words, you did out charge his (inaudible one word), right?

MR. PORCO:  Maybe.


DETECTIVE WILLIAMS:  Do you want us to help you?  You can't live with this, Chris.  You're not going to be able to -- you're not man enough to live with this, okay?  Bigger men than you have been not been able to live with it.

MR. PORCO:  I'm not trying to live with it.

DETECTIVE WILLIAMS:  What are you trying to do? 

MR. PORCO:  Figure out what the hell happened today.

DETECTIVE WILLIAMS:  What do you think happened then?  Put your --

MR. PORCO:  I have no idea.

DETECTIVE WILLIAMS:  Take your wild guess.

MR. PORCO:  I don't know.

DETECTIVE WILLIAMS:  Just take a guess.  Who would come to your parents' house?

MR. PORCO:  I have absolutely no idea.

DETECTIVE WILLIAMS:  For what motive?

MR. PORCO:  I don't know.  I can't possibly think of one.  I (inaudible statement) help you (inaudible two words).

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  (Inaudible statement.)

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)


DETECTIVE WILLIAMS:  That's fine.  (Inaudible statement) Judge's ruling.  Like you said, you believe in the rule of law.  You believe (inaudible three words).

MR. PORCO:  I do.  It works most of the time.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  (Inaudible statement.)

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)

DETECTIVE WILLIAMS:  You don't think so?

MR. PORCO:  No, I don't.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Why?

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  So the system doesn't work for you, but it works for everybody else?

MR. PORCO:  I didn't say everyone else, I mean there are exceptions, of course.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  (Inaudible statement.)

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  So that's the way your family is (inaudible two words), and I still predict you're going to say the system failed you.  You're never going to (inaudible four to five words).


MR. PORCO:  No.  I would never --

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  (Inaudible statement.)

MR. PORCO:  No.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  (Two inaudible statements.)  Your parents were upset, without a doubt, they were very upset with you and they wanted to see you.  They ordered you to come home.

MR. PORCO:  They did not order me to come home.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Your father says things were spinning out of control for you.

MR. PORCO:  M-m h-m-m. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  And if you ever used -- forged his name to another credit document, he was going to turn you in to the police for forgery.  That's harsh.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  That's a felony?

MR. PORCO:  That was -- it has the date on that.  That was a while ago.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  11/05.

                                                MR. PORCO:  Yeah.  It was ten days ago.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  9:24 a.m.


MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  That's harsh stuff.  You haven't talked to him since that time, have you?

MR. PORCO:  Email.  Not --

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  (Inaudible statement.) 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  He's asking you to come down and straighten this out.  That's it.  All right?  So apparently --

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  So he discovered you put his name on something else other than the school.  Then he finds out about the school loans, then he finds out about something else.

MR. PORCO:  He found out that he was a co-signer on that auto loan.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Right.

MR. PORCO:  Which he already knew about.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  (Inaudible statement.)

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)  He misunderstood the way things work.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  And this man is an attorney?

MR. PORCO:  H-m-m?


INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Attorney, for the last 30 years.  Misunderstood the way things work on an application?

MR. PORCO:  It was on a check, actually.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well, it says, you know, I found out yesterday that you obligated me on that car loan by signing my name to the check used to purchase the Jeep.  I got the paperwork from Citi Bank.

MR. PORCO:  M-m h-m-m. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  And confirmed it with a check on my credit history.

MR. PORCO:  M-m h-m-m. 

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You've got your father running his own credit history.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Right.

MR. PORCO:  Yes.  I never thought of that.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  What in the hell is going on?  (Inaudible statement.)

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I've known your father long enough that these are very harsh words.

MR. PORCO:  I definitely agree with you there.


INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Chris, you're out of control.  If I had to run my credit history every time my kid walked out the door, I'd be friggin' going insane.  I can't trust my own kid. 

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  I can't trust my own kid.  (Inaudible statement.)

MR. PORCO:  That's no reason to kill him.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  I'm not saying that's the reason.  I'm not saying that's the reason, Chris, but look at what's going on here.  Put yourself in our shoes here.  Look, this is what we're seeing.  We're seeing a family coming unraveled. 

MR. PORCO:  You're seeing an upset father.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  They're coming unglued, Chris.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I mean, this isn't even indicating what -- what your mother was like.  And I've got a feeling she was the more reactionary end of the --

MR. PORCO:  If you read emails that are more recent.  There's a different tone.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well, I can -- I can tell that you read their tone very closely.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Chris --


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  And you didn't respond to this.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  -- you could have been arrested for a felony.  Bank fraud, wire fraud.

MR. PORCO:  But he didn't.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You go away for ten years minimum, Federal offense.

MR. PORCO:  I know that.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You don't want to do that.  Is there something else with his name out there coming down the pike?

MR. PORCO:  Nope.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Are you sure about that?

MR. PORCO:  Totally.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Because the mail comes to us from now on.

MR. PORCO:  Check it.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You understand that, right?

MR. PORCO:  Check it.


INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Chris, how's this look to us?  How does it look to us, seriously.  You know about the law.  I mean --

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  How's this looking for you?

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  How are you so much different than your brother?  Why is that?

MR. PORCO:  I don't know the answer to that question.  I don't know.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Your brother never got into trouble?

MR. PORCO:  Never.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Never did anything wrong?

MR. PORCO:  I wouldn't go that far.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Nothing of any proportion?

MR. PORCO:  No.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Nothing like this?

MR. PORCO:  No.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Kept his grades up to a minimum so he passed all the time in college, right?

MR. PORCO:  Yes.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Great marks in high school?

MR. PORCO:  Decent.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Did he play sports?

MR. PORCO:  He swam for a year or two.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Swam like you, right?

MR. PORCO:  Yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Did you or do you have animosity towards him?

MR. PORCO:  Not at all.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Did you try to keep up?

MR. PORCO:  Not at all.  That's probably part of the problem.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  You didn't care that he was -- he was the golden boy?

MR. PORCO:  He wasn't.  My parents weren't like that.  They were never like that.  They don't put him on a pedestal and say be like him.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  But he was pretty squeaky clean, wasn't he?

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Yeah, but --

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  That's got to make you


-- I mean, if you were an only child, that would be one thing, but what do they've got to compare to?  The good child.

MR. PORCO:  My parents were never like that.  They never compared us ever.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Yeah, but don't tell me they didn't form some of their opinions by doing that, even subconsciously. 

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You must have thought --

MR. PORCO:  I have a conscience.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well, exactly. 

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  I have a younger daughter and she compares herself to her older sister all the time, and she said that me as -- I as a parent did that.

MR. PORCO:  I never accused my parents of that.  They didn't do it.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  But in your mind, you don't think --

MR. PORCO:  We're different.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You don't think your parents --

MR. PORCO:  We're not any better than the other.


INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  -- are comparing you two?

MR. PORCO:  Not at all.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Chris, how does this look?

MR. PORCO:  How does what look?

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  This.  You're being unaccounted for.

MR. PORCO:  I was not unaccounted for.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You're forging your father's name on a big, pretty big loan.  He doesn't pay your car bill because it's overdue.

MR. PORCO:  That's absolutely no reason to murder someone.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Is there ever a reason to murder?

MR. PORCO:  I think there are valid reasons.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  There is.

MR. PORCO:  Well, not murder, but killing somebody, yeah.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Things happen at the spur of the moment too, and then we're remorseful afterwards.

MR. PORCO:  True.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay?  That's what he's talking about. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Don't let something eat you up.

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  And the other thing that bothers me is the fact when we talk about a polygraph, which would, in my book --

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Exonerate you.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  -- exonerate you, and then you say you've got to talk to a lawyer first.  That bothers me.  I mean, you know -- you're a smart guy.  You know what it's all about.

MR. PORCO:  You're right, I do.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay.  And you know that we can't twist that machine.  We can't, all right?  We're not even involved here. 

MR. PORCO:  I know that.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  All right?

MR. PORCO:  A civilian does it.  I know.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  And you know what?  They take their profession very, very seriously. 

MR. PORCO:  I'm aware of that.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Yeah, yeah.  So I would think that you would say, all right, being as smart as you are, I should take this and just clear myself.

MR. PORCO:  I intend to.  It doesn't change the fact that I want to speak to a lawyer first.  (Inaudible statement.)

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  You know what?  If you call me up tomorrow and you tell me that you will take it, I'll shake your hand because that will restore my faith in you.  It will.  And furthermore, if you show up for it.

MR. PORCO:  I wouldn't make an appointment and not show up.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  People do that.

MR. PORCO:  Well --

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  They do that.

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible one word) the point.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  But it does bother me a little bit right now that you need to talk to a lawyer about it, being as smart as you are.

MR. PORCO:  It's something I want to do.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  All right.  But you do know the facts?


MR. PORCO:  What do you mean?

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I can't convict you on it.

MR. PORCO:  I know.  I know what I'm in for.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  We're willing to use it for a base line for you.

MR. PORCO:  I understand your intentions.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  So, if you're not guilty, if you had no involvement here, I would jump at the chance to exonerate myself.

MR. PORCO:  I intend to.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Because some of this stuff we've been talking about here had some basis to it.  Maybe not, you know, right on target stuff, but it's got enough stuff along with evidence to say, h-m-m, there's an indication here.

MR. PORCO:  If you're trying to twist it that way, maybe.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well, not, not twisting, everything put together.

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible one word) too, they're good at it.


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  What was that Goddamn trial that just got ended out there in California?

MR. PORCO:  Peterson.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Was that all on circumstantial?  Did the jury come back guilty, double homicide?

MR. PORCO:  There was a lot of evidence in that case.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Circumstantial.

MR. PORCO:  A lot of (inaudible two words).

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  That was a circumstantial trial.  I'm telling you right now.  We're in the business.  I'm telling you, evidence is my name.  It was circumstantial.  Everything could have been played off, but it wasn't.  People saw it for what it was clearly.

MR. PORCO:  I agree.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  But it started like this.  We watched that case very closely, because you know what, we learn.  We learn.  You know, and the problem is, I'm going to tell you, Chris, I think we're starting.

MR. PORCO:  Okay. 


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Don't let it get out of hand.  I'm begging you.  Don't let it get out of hand, because if it does, it's going to come at you like a steamroller.  Don't let it happen.  As he said, don't let it eat you up, because it's something -- if you do have involvement, you've got to live with this thing for the rest of your life. 

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Whether you tell us or not, you have to still live with it.

MR. PORCO:  Oh, yeah.  You do something, you live with it.         

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Undoubtedly.

MR. PORCO:  M-m h-m-m. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  If we don't -- if you don't settle yourself -- settle this for yourself, you're going to have a life of hell, and I will say a difficult life.  It never,

ever --

MR. PORCO:  I know that.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  It's the one thing, you've got to prove it to us, and you know what the worse part about it is?  I wasn't lying to you, son.  Your mother told me. 


MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  I wish it wasn't this way.  I wish there was some question.  Fucking dirt bag out on the street that went nuts.  At least I could deal with it, all right, but I'm telling you what I know.  Tell me.  Don't let this thing get out of control. 

Where are you staying tonight?

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  All right.  Well, we have officers at the house, all right.  Okay?  (Inaudible statement.)

MR. PORCO:  I wasn't planning to be at my house.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well, I just thought I'd tell you.  That's all.

MR. PORCO:  When can I go to the hospital?

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You can't.

MR. PORCO:  Why?

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Well, because we believe you tried to kill your mother and you're going to try it again.


MR. PORCO:  There's an officer outside the door (inaudible three words) keep me away from her.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Well, we don't want her to wake up and be in fear for her life.  That wouldn't be very comfortable, right?

MR. PORCO:  I agree. 

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Anything you left out, Chris, anything we're gonna find out from other people that you can tell us?

MR. PORCO:  I don't think so, ask around.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Anything you left out?  (Several inaudible statements.)  I wish I could say I was, but I think I'm (inaudible four to five words).  We need to go over the evidence (inaudible two to three words).

MR. PORCO:  I hope you do. 

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You a religious person, Chris?

MR. PORCO:  Not particularly.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  (Inaudible statement.)

MR. PORCO:  (Inaudible statement.)


DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  All right.  Listen, you're (inaudible four words), Chris.  All right.  We're going to (inaudible three words.)  Listen, call me tomorrow, all right?

MR. PORCO:  All right.  All right.  I'll talk to a lawyer in the morning.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Yeah.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Tell him you want to take a lie detector. 

MR. PORCO:  I'll talk to him about it.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay. 

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Sometime in the afternoon?

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Yeah.  Get a hold of me.  Just try to make it about one, two o'clock, something like that, all right?

MR. PORCO:  Okay. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Okay?  I really -- I hope you make the right decision. 

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  You're going to be available for me to talk to you again?

MR. PORCO:  Yup.  I'm not sure I'll be (inaudible two words).

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Do you have a cell phone?


MR. PORCO:  No, my uncles does, other people at the hospital, I'm sure.  They'll know where I am.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Well, how will we get a hold of you?

MR. PORCO:  I'm not sure.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  (Inaudible three words) call you tomorrow and say, you're in the clear, you're done.  We're moving on.  We've got detectives out at the University, we're interviewing trying to get (inaudible two words) your alibi.

                                                MR. PORCO:  Okay.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Does your uncle have a cell phone or anything?

MR. PORCO:  He has his wife's.  I have his number, actually.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  (Inaudible statement.)

MR. PORCO:  John Balzano. 

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  John?

MR. PORCO:  John Balzano.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Delzon? 

MR. PORCO:  B-a-l-z-a-n-o.  (585) 329-6803.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  That's his cell?

MR. PORCO:  Yup.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  And who is that?


MR. PORCO:  That would be John, my uncle.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Your uncle?

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  What uncle?  He's your mother's --

MR. PORCO:  Mother's brother.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Mother's brother.  Is he an attorney?

MR. PORCO:  No.  That would be my Dad's best friend, (inaudible two words).

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Sure, sure.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  What's John do?

MR. PORCO:  My uncle do?

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  Yeah.

MR. PORCO:  He's a retired school teacher.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  Just bear in mind what I said, attorneys don't want to advise towards taking a polygraph.

MR. PORCO:  I will.

DETECTIVE BOWDISH:  But you're a smart man.  You can have us move on and get on with it and do the right thing.  In your mind, let us do the right thing.

INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS:  All right, Chris.  We'll be in touch.

(Whereupon, the interview of Christopher Porco concluded.)

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